[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by blueberry

Through hard work and education most of the social barriers go away

apparently not as sovereign put in the work,as did half of the people on your feeble little list..

[blueberry]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

apparently not as sovereign put in the work,as did half of the people on your feeble little list..

She hasn't...she's a champion of a disgusting sub culture who with the others are put on a pedestal by the pyjama posse.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by blueberry

She hasn't...she's a champion of a disgusting sub culture who with the others at put of a pedestal by the pyjama posse.

no,the diffrence between me and you is objectively i can see what she's achieved in her life,while you cant look past her class.. it's sad really.. she's twenty four and produced music which is obviosly an acquired taste,but even so she's worked hard for it,and toured in numerous countries,been signed to def jam (which i dont think she's apart of now). point being that sounds like someone who's grafted to me...


denying she's worked hard to be where she is doesnt make sense,since she's on the show for what she's done in the past..

anyways anyone who truly works hard knows not to knock someone else's hustle,which leads me to believe you've lead a very sheltered life..

[Deliverance]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

no,the diffrence between me and you is objectively i can see what she's achieved in her life,while you cant look past her class.. it's sad really.. she's twenty four and produced music which is obviosly an acquired taste,but even so she's worked hard for it,and toured in numerous countries,been signed to def jam (which i dont think she's apart of now). point being that sounds like someone who's grafted to me...

anyone who truly works hard knows not to knock someone else's hustle,which leads me to believe you've lead a very sheltered life..

I agree with you, it is rare to see anyone of this age to succeed as much in such a short time. That in itself deserves respect.

I don't agree with the personal points that you made though. The fella has a point, albeit a point that needs educating for sure.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Deliverance

I agree with you, it is rare to see anyone of this age to succeed as much in such a short time. That in itself deserves respect.

I don't agree with the personal points that you made though. The fella has a point, albeit a point that needs educating for sure.

agreed it was a cheap shot,im just tired of the new found snobbery on this forum,its almost impossible to have a coherant debate on here anymore,its just about rediculing her based on her social background...
i take your point though i shouldnt have gotten personal..

[blueberry]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

agreed it was a cheap shot,im just tired of the new found snobbery on this forum,its almost impossible to have a coherant debate on here anymore,its just about rediculing her based on her social background...
i take your point though i shouldnt have gotten personal..

I stand by all my statements

[Deliverance]

Originally Posted by blueberry

I stand by all my statements

You stand by yourself so. I agree with some of your statements but you failed to back anything up via your chip on your shoulder that you obviously have.

That leads me to think that you need to learn some more things about the issues that you have. I had the same issues recently and got v.angry and dangerously bitter. I took a step back and learned to live and let live as an 'educated' person.

You should try to do the same.

Anyway I want to have a laugh and enjoy this forum so I'm off to do that now.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

agreed it was a cheap shot,im just tired of the new found snobbery on this forum,its almost impossible to have a coherant debate on here anymore,its just about rediculing her based on her social background...
i take your point though i shouldnt have gotten personal..

beg to differ soft lad I aint slagged her off for her class, that is something I just dont do. I have criticised her for her manners rather lack of them. her stupidity, her arrogance, her greed I could go on for hours or just put etc. etc. etc. everything but her class, or lack of.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Shasown

beg to differ soft lad I aint slagged her off for her class, that is something I just dont do. I have criticised her for her manners rather lack of them. her stupidity, her arrogance, her greed I could go on for hours or just put etc. etc. etc. everything but her class, or lack of.

i was refering to the OP and other members on this forum,not you.. alright little one?

[Deliverance]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

agreed it was a cheap shot,im just tired of the new found snobbery on this forum,its almost impossible to have a coherant debate on here anymore,its just about rediculing her based on her social background...
i take your point though i shouldnt have gotten personal..

There is a snobbery that is getting out of control. Some folks are using the 'education card' in the wrong way. It really brings the debate down a lot. It makes me think that some individuals are not as learned as they think they are.

That is their problem really and they are best ignored, unless of course they actually learn something from debates and interesting conversations. I have learned to give them some time (not much) to get over daft opinions which are fired for effect.

Ignore them if they carry on because they can be a total downer. Kudos to you though for being the opposite of them.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

no,the diffrence between me and you is objectively i can see what she's achieved in her life,while you cant look past her class.. it's sad really.. she's twenty four and produced music which is obviosly an acquired taste,but even so she's worked hard for it,and toured in numerous countries,been signed to def jam (which i dont think she's apart of now). point being that sounds like someone who's grafted to me...

anyone who truly works hard knows not to knock someone else's hustle,which leads me to believe you've lead a very sheltered life..

I hate to say it but from what I have seen of Sov on the show, she wouldnt know hard work if it walked up and bit her on the arrrse. She had a little talent and got very very lucky to be picked up is all. If she was hard working etc, she would be using her hard work and talent to break the UK market as opposed to being lazy and using CBB to kickstart her UK career

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I hate to say it but from what I have seen of Sov on the show, she wouldnt know hard work if it walked up and bit her on the arrrse. She had a little talent and got very very lucky to be picked up is all. If she was hard working etc, she would be using her hard work and talent to break the UK market as opposed to being lazy and using CBB to kickstart her UK career

thats a matter of perspective i suppose,since i work in the music industry i know of the work she had to put in,so i can appreciate it more i suppose.. if we're basing how hard someone works by how they are on this show,then truly stephanie,stephan,dane and sisqo are all lazy too,since theyre careers have been dead for a while now..

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

thats a matter of perspective i suppose,since i work in the music industry i know of the work she had to put in,so i can appreciate it more i suppose.. if we're basing how hard someone works by how they are on this show,then truly stephanie,stephan,dane and sisqo are all lazy too,since theyre careers have been dead for a while now..

Do you "do" anything meaningful or are you just a tea boy?

You would then know that Island Records shitcanned Lady Sov,(because of a dispute according to her people) as did Def Jam (mutual parting of the ways) nothing to do with "Def Jam having the hump with her for " a. refusing to record or perform, b. Cutting herslef and refusing medical care c. Overdosing, etc etc etc