[Chels]

Originally Posted by angus58

Somehow this post has turned into a debate on the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, so I'm just going to return to the topic - are people entitled to retain their human rights once they commit a crime?

no
vile ****ers

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Chels

no
vile ****ers

Short and to the point and the right answer!

[Twilight]

I agree with Chels and Vicky tbh

[ILoveTRW]

kill em all

[Twilight]

Yeah imo rapist are sick ****ers, shoplifters are just stupid

[Angus]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Depends on the crime.

You cant treat, say, a shoplifter, the same as you would treat a rapist.

More serious crimes, basically they should lose all their rights. And I definitely dont agree with this whole giving them new identities and that when they leave prison.

I agree there should be a sliding scale depending on the severity of the crime, and most importantly, the human rights of the VICTIM should always take precedence over human rights of the criminal.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Also, if we cant bring back the death penalty, life should MEAN life, not 8 years or whatever it is they serve.

I think a good thing would be to dump them all together on an island somewhere...let them get on with it. That way, it doesnt cost the tax payer, and we dont have blood on our hands Sorted.

We can't do that with Australia anymore

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by angus58

Somehow this post has turned into a debate on the rights and wrongs of the death penalty, so I'm just going to return to the topic - are people entitled to retain their human rights once they commit a crime?

I think it depends on the crime!

[Jack_]

Life should be life, that's for certain.

What about the death penalty for absolutely any crime, as long as there's one hudred percent proof that the person(s) committed it? The fear of the consequence for most people would be enough to steer them away from the crime, surely?

I guess it's too easy to be like that though, lots of grey areas.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Arista! You are nearly at 15,000 posts

That means Nothing to me.
They are numbers - nothing more.

Posters that do threads about the amount of Posts they have done
are Well Sad.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Again, though...someone could be caught shoplifting, but they may be shoplifting to feed their family or something. What would happen then? Still the death penalty?

Sorry for using shoplifting all the time, its just the least serious crime I can think of

If they need food then they need to seek help from somewhere, not commit crimes...

Again though, lots of grey areas I guess.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by arista

That means Nothing to me.
They are numbers - nothing more.

Posters that do threads about the amount of Posts they have done
are Well Sad.

its an achievement though

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Life should be life, that's for certain.

What about the death penalty for absolutely any crime, as long as there's one hudred percent proof that the person(s) committed it? The fear of the consequence for most people would be enough to steer them away from the crime, surely?

I guess it's too easy to be like that though, lots of grey areas.

Nah it wouldn't. People don't think like that, especially at the time of commiting the crime.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Yeah...its not always that easy to get help though.

Plus, I think the death penalty for crimes such as that...and say fighting, or being drunk and disorderly, dont warrant the same punishment as serious assaults/murder etc.

I think any type of assault warrants a serious punishment really.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by InOne

Nah it wouldn't. People don't think like that, especially at the time of commiting the crime.

Hm, okay, fair enough.

[Shasown]

If you used more force than necessary to defend yourself, then you are guilty of assault.

Hang her!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Hm, okay, fair enough.

Like that is why so many criminals are caught and re-offend, because they don't learn from their mistakes. I think the amount of people on Americas death row show the hardended criminals are not too bothered about death.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

See, this is where the law fecks up.

I'l use an example of mine.

I was out one night, some girl jumped me for no reason, so i kicked the feck out of her. Next thing, IM locked up for the night, just because she was worse off then me.

I very nearly got done for assault...and she got nothing.

This is what I hate, and I think the only way you'd stop this would be to not punish anyone without complete proof [witnesses, CCTV etc]. The person that attempts the assault, is the one to blame.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

We can't do that with Australia anymore

Lol

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

More force than necessary

Well...sue me. Dont jump me in future...simples

PMSL be careful what you wish for Vicky, she may yet do that, and she will probably win.

I mean you have admitted just now how violent you are.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Lol

Look how well that turned out, they get 8 months of Sun and we get pissed on all year round!!!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Well...you would think so.

But according to the law the person who 'wins' the fight seems to be the criminal. Or it seems that way anyway.

There were loads of witnesses who said I didnt start it...part of the reason I detest police.

Policing definitely needs sorting out, that's for sure.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Look how well that turned out, they get 8 months of Sun and we get pissed on all year round!!!

Ain't that the truth!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Policing definitely needs sorting out, that's for sure.

Typical example of political correctness gone mad - apparently you're not supposed to defend yourself in any way since it might infringe the attacker's human rights to kick the crap out of you

[PaulyJ]

You can't do that Poster, Human rights must apply to all humans, else they become non human in the brain of society, as in peodophiles, and rapist's and to a degree terrorist's. They become animals, and thus outside the realms of understanding, and reasoning. If you extend that to ALL criminals, even the girl who shop lifted to feed her heroin habit which she gained because her BF wanted a partner in misery, and she was to weak, foolish or what have you, to say no, then you are saying once she is convicted she forfits the right to have a decent level of treatment in the prison system. The prison service will soon figure out they can save a heap of cash buy sticking 10 women in a cell currently serving 2, the food budget could be slashed by serving tripe 7 days a week. If your intention is to release this girl one day then she would surely be a hollow loveless, careless person, and she would bring that back into society.

What about Stefen Kishcow, wrongly Convicted of a Child murder, no human right's means he would not of had a right of appeal, and would of died in jail, an innocent man, and his precious story would of not been told, faith in a "sometimes floored" system assured, 10 years of that, and their would be no such thing as a innocent man in jail, because the only way we know of these things is because he exercised his Human rights, and told his story.

I do realise that there would be positive's to come from your suggestion, such as a reduction in crime, but as all things it is a balancing act, and i fear you have fallen off with this suggestion.

I am 100% sure that if this was the Western Norm then Guantanimo, The Holocost, Ruwanda, Serbia would not be such big deals, as all these cases envolve your very suggestion, if all the Jews we're criminals, rather than Jews could you of lived with their fate?

I would wish to resign from the human race and find an island somewhere and curl up into a ball and die.

I was locked up for 7 days for non payment of council tax, and prison is not the holiday camp people think it is.