[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ange7

what referendum question are you hoping for?

Electoral reform, replacing First Past the Post with Proportional Representation. I'm tired of my vote not counting.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Electoral reform, replacing First Past the Post with Proportional Representation. I'm tired of my vote not counting.

oh ... like the Greek or Italian system? not good dude. And your equally likely to feel as though your vote didn't count. That's democracy mate ... just because your choice didn't win doesn't mean your vote was wasted.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ange7

oh ... like the Greek or Italian system? not good dude. And your equally likely to feel as though your vote didn't count. That's democracy mate ... just because your choice didn't win doesn't mean your vote was wasted.

Tell that to someone who lives in a 70% Labour stronghold with a small population. I simply don't like...

1. My vote being rendered null and void when it comes to deciding the ruling party or even the main opposition.

2. Having no opportunity to vote for an independent candidate when I still have misgivings about the policies of all three main parties.

3. The electorate being consigned to tactical voting as a means to an end as opposed to voting for the party which actually represents their ideology.

Don't get me wrong, I recognise the weaknesses of PR and not every MP will an accurate representation of the the interests of their constituents, but at a national level, it the more democratic system.

Plus, anyone can draw comparisons to other countries with different political systems. What about the US and the failure the electoral college system which gave Bush an extremely dubious victory in 2000? I just think PR would work for the UK and believe a referendum would show that I am not the only one.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Tell that to someone who lives in a 70% Labour stronghold with a small population. I simply don't like...

1. My vote being rendered null and void when it comes to deciding the ruling party or even the main opposition.

2. Having no opportunity to vote for an independent candidate when I still have misgivings about the policies of all three main parties.

3. The electorate being consigned to tactical voting as a means to an end as opposed to voting for the party which actually represents their ideology.

Don't get me wrong, I recognise the weaknesses of PR and not every MP will an accurate representation of the the interests of their constituents, but at a national level, it the more democratic system.

Plus, anyone can draw comparisons to other countries with different political systems. What about the US and the failure the electoral college system which gave Bush an extremely dubious victory in 2000? I just think PR would work for the UK and believe a referendum would show that I am not the only one.

your vote isn't to decide the ruling party nor the pm... it's to decide your local member. 70% in your area voting lab doesn't mean your vote was worthless.... that's democracy.

I'd agree that some reform is needed though. A situation like the libdems getting 23 % of the total vote but only 57 or so seats versus lab getting 29% but 260 seats ..seems stupid.
Why don't you guys get rid of the house of lords and replace it with a proportionally elected senate. The senate ( upper house) would act as check on any new bill from the parliament ( lower house). At election time you'd vote twice... once for the upper house and once for the lower. That's the system here in oz. .... oh and before anyone rubbishes Australia...we didn't has a recession :P

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

your vote isn't to decide the ruling party nor the pm... it's to decide your local member. 70% in your area voting lab doesn't mean your vote was worthless.... that's democracy.

I'd agree that some reform is needed though. A situation like the libdems getting 23 % of the total vote but only 57 or so seats versus lab getting 29% but 260 seats ..seems stupid.
Why don't you guys get rid of the house of lords and replace it with a proportionally elected senate. The senate ( upper house) would act as check on any new bill from the parliament ( lower house). At election time you'd vote twice... once for the upper house and once for the lower. That's the system here in oz. .... oh and before anyone rubbishes Australia...we didn't has a recession :P

True but lets face it, you are a country formed from the criminal rejects of this country and if we hadnt been nice you would still be bowing and scraping to us.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

True but lets face it, you are a country formed from the criminal rejects of this country and if we hadnt been nice you would still be bowing and scraping to us.

hehe
oh and hey thanks by the way.
Ps sorry we didn't have room for the posh inbreeds.... but then who would you guys have to vote for :P

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

hehe
oh and hey thanks by the way.
Ps sorry we didn't have room for the posh inbreeds.... but then who would you guys have to vote for :P

Hey we would never have sent our posh inbreeds out there, we kept them here for our amusement.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ange7

hehe
oh and hey thanks by the way.
Ps sorry we didn't have room for the posh inbreeds.... but then who would you guys have to vote for :P

Posh
or Working class

It Does not Matter here in Our better UK Nation.



Of Course Down Under
Posh means one thing Rich enough to Electric fence
the local buggers out.