[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Well the discussion of him having extra accounts has nothing to with this topic or anything to do with right now (it was last year).

There is no discussion about it. Not this year and not last year. I am not suspected of this and never was.

Besides, why would I ever want to share out the credit. I rule, my posts rule, I'm awesome and want full credit.

'Half-caste' is not used in any derogatory way. I used the term once to refer to my impending child.
The problem with 'mixed-race' is that it suggest there are different races of humans and that is something I disagree with,
but,
if someone refers to my kids as 'mixed-race' I have the responsibility to accept the communication as THEY INTENDED IT. I don't get to decide they meant offense. They decide that.
I realize they did not mean any derogatory or negative thing but rather were choosing the best words they knew and meant well.

This is the very problem with PC word-policing - it supposes there is no obligations for the receiver. There is.

I don't get to declare 'mixed-race' as offensive when it isn't. The sender decides that. If the sender does decided to pour an offensive meaning into that term then I will receive it accordingly.

I have no doubt this went right over the heads of certain people. woooosh.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

There is no discussion about it. Not this year and not last year. I am not suspected of this and never was.

Besides, why would I ever want to share out the credit. I rule, my posts rule, I'm awesome and want full credit.

'Half-caste' is not used in any derogatory way. I used the term once to refer to my impending child.
The problem with 'mixed-race' is that it suggest there are different races of humans and that is something I disagree with,
but,
if someone refers to my kids as 'mixed-race' I have the responsibility to accept the communication as THEY INTENDED IT. I don't get to decide they meant offense. They decide that.
I realize they did not mean any derogatory or negative thing but rather were choosing the best words they knew and meant well.

This is the very problem with PC word-policing - it supposes there is no obligations for the receiver. There is.

I don't get to declare 'mixed-race' as offensive when it isn't. The sender decides that. If the sender does decided to pour an offensive meaning into that term then I will receive it accordingly.

I have no doubt this went right over the heads of certain people. woooosh.

"went right over their heads", "wooosh" ... that's all very cute but trying to belittle those that disagree with is playground stuff.
So according to you the way a person "receives" the possibly racist slur has more bearing than the it's historic context. Rubbish mate. That seem dumb to me because ignorance of a racially loaded word shouldn't excuse it. I'd hope you'd agree that if someone walked into a daycare center and shouted 'ni**ers! ni**ers!" at all the black kids that would still be a racist act DESPITE the receivers not necessarily understanding it. Your current definition ( and it is only yours thank god) would mean that a situation like that would be fine because no harm done...the receivers" didn't get it. That's a load of old ballz and possible the stupidest thing of heard from you. lol "wooosh" indeed.

The idea that the term "mixed-race" is more offensive than "half-caste" is funny. What your not understanding is how these terms were used in history and their context. "Half-caste" historically has been used to ostracize and demean the children from mixed parents and refers to them being 'lesser' or 'inferior' ... same way the term 'ni**er' was used to oppress and demean. The term 'mixed-race' has never had that history of usage. The fact that you personally are offended by it doesn't mean sh*t... it ain't all about you hehe

If you don't think it's offensive and don't know it's history..in real world situations people won't pick you up on 'half'cast' like they would with the word 'ni**er' because any idiot would have known how THAT would was used in history.

You problem is you don't want to appear racist but your too lazy or disinterested to find out which words are rubbish. You resent that 'people' need to tell you what's ok and isn't. So you throw up your hands a scream "it's political correctness gone mad!!' In fact if you had a wider circle of friends then you'd work out what is and isn't racist on your own. Better option is to make an effort to know what words are offensive and then simply use an alternative. You make out as if this is the hardest thing in the world and that somehow YOU are the victim because your 'forced' to modify a few stupid words. "oh it's political correctness gone mad!.. I can't even talk a pile of **** anymore with out someone having to fu**ing explain to me why I'm out of order". Get back under your rock then :P

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ange7

.... that's all very cute but trying to.....ay a person "receives" the possibly racist slur has more bearing than the it's historic context. Rub...........'t excuse it. .........ed into a daycare cente.......... act DESPITE the receivers......understanding it. .....ation lik......... be fine because no harm done...the receivers" didn't ......... load of old ballz and possible the stupidest ..........

Wow, someone blowing a gasket...

"Half-caste" historically has been used to ostracize and demean the children from mixed parents and refers to them being 'lesser' or 'inferior' ...

I doubt that but it doesn't matter what the historical usage was. It matter what the common usage is and in what meaning the sender intends to put into the word envelope.

We could build a long list of examples but for starters you could take the word 'Moron'.
Moron had once been used as a sort of clinical term. It was not a derogatory or 'insult' term anymore than today we might use the word 'down's syndrome'.
The doctor may have determined the patient is classified as Moron and the parents tell their friends the bad news. The child is a Moron. Friends console them.
Now what happens when I call you a Moron?
You DID NOT take it in its historical context and suppose I was making a clinical analysis.
You probably did not even know it used to be a serious clinical term used to help treat patients.
Instead you accepted it the way the sender (me) most likely intended to the meaning to be received.

If the Mod hopped in saying "I expect you to be Gentlemen about this" there is no way you suppose he is identifying us as land-owners from centuries ago.

Nobody in our times uses the term 'half-caste' in a derogatory way and probably send it 'believing' it is actually a 'politically correct' and 'sensitive' term for the receiver.

Now watch you change your mind and claim it doesn't matter what the receiver 'chooses' to pour into the word but that they must accept what was intended to be delivered...

The term 'mixed-race' has never had that history of usage. The fact that you personally are offended by it doesn't mean sh*t... it ain't all about you hehe

See that?
You insist that the intended meaning trumps whatever the receiver wants or wishes for.
In fact, the term 'mixed-race' does imply there are different races based on physical traits. The Evolutionist idea that there were different kinds of humans by appearance.
HOWEVER,
The reason I don't take offense is because I take the responsibility to discern what the 'sender' intends to convey.
In fact almost no-one is aware of the historical concept that formed that term so they are innocent of imparting that meaning.
I figure that out.
In a similar way - if the sender tells me they believe in 'races' (mongoloid, negroid, caucazoid) and thinks they ought be separated and is later heard taunting me with 'mixxxxed race mixxxxed race',
then
I interpret their use of 'mixed-race' as intending to communicate insulting and derogatory meaning.

with the word 'ni**er' because any idiot would have known how THAT would was used in history.

Here again you are wrong. In the earliest known uses the term '******' is NOT used as a derogatory insult word. In many early uses it is the same as saying (whether accurate or not) 'Nigerians' and then even the same as today 'blacks'.
However,
It was also true that 'blacks' was deemed 'offensive' by self-appointed King Jesse Jackson and the PC crowd.
and,
Now it is not and the PC replacement word 'African Americans' is now considered more silly and outdated as 'coloured'.
but,
More to directly proving my point - a black american may very well call himself or another a ****** (see comic Patrice Oneill) where it is NOT an insult.
Why not?
after all YOU say it is?
The reason is because (in this case) the receiver correctly discerns that the sender does not pour a derogatory meaning into the word. So he receives it accordingly.

More hysterical fits...

You problem is you don't want to appear racist but ........ou resent that 'people' need t... isn't. ........throw up your hands a scream "it's political correctness ...... friends then you'd work out what is and isn't racist ..........words are offensive an........an alternative.......... YOU are the victim ........'forced'...... modify ....stupid words........ gone mad!.. I can't even talk a pile of **** anymore ..... fu**ing explain to me why I'm out of order". Get ........under your rock then :P

I don't accept the Evolutionist concept of 'Races' the way you probably do. I think everyone came from a tiny family of people who had a big fat gene pool.
I think there are branches of the human family (not just the three big main ones) and we can suppose in general terms some are doing better than others.
This won't be because of their physical traits.
I totally reject your bogus 'all or none' demands which is senseless.
There is nothing stopping me from calling the Dutch race the biggest bunch of a-holes on the planet while at the same time thanking God for that tiny perverted technologically advanced island of Japan.

The main thing is that you self-pwned yourself and didn't learn a lesson here. I think we can agree on that.

[bananarama]

What's wrong is that people have to tread on egg shells when speaking or writing........PC is about pandering to a bunch of babies who throw their toys out of the pram if a specific wordings of their choice is not used......

Be your self and use words respectfully appropriate. As long as no offence is intended then ignore the babies who can't recognise the difference and want to stifle free expression.......

[ange7]

Originally Posted by bananarama

What's wrong is that people have to tread on egg shells when speaking or writing........PC is about pandering to a bunch of babies who throw their toys out of the pram if a specific wordings of their choice is not used......

Be your self and use words respectfully appropriate. As long as no offence is intended then ignore the babies who can't recognise the difference and want to stifle free expression.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo

"that's you that is"

"it's political correctness gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' mahahahaha