[NateJ]

Bullying is bad, mmm'k children. However, what we saw was NOT bullying. What we saw was group retaliation. Think of how long the group was pressurised by this toad. How many times they gave him another chance! In the end they could not take the abuse from him anymore. Who could?

Bullying hinges on the innocence of the victim. For whatever reason (usually because they are in some way different) the victim cannot change their circumstance to escape. Lisp, limp, skin colour, sexuality, size of their nose, academic ability... whatever. Shabaz was welcomed into the group at the start. He made the problems that finally, and justly crushed him.

Simply put, Shabaz had it coming. The way he treated poor Glyn was unforgivable. The way he hid the food. The way he spoke down to people etc, etc, etc. If Shebaz was as pure as the driven snow then it would have been different. There is a lesson here for the viewers. Treat others with respect if you want any back.

Shabaz said near the start he's been bullied all his life. He said it was because he was a ****, a ****, a Muslim, a scot, whatever other reason he could think up. I think if his behaviour in the house was anything to go he should look a little closer to home for the reason. Like being a nasty, self-obsessed person.

I am not saying that his father was right to have beaten him with a hammer. But in fairness there were many times when I was watching him and I wished that someone in there would just chin him!

He is a waste of skin, and I am glad we can get back to Big Brother now that the 'Look at Me I am Shabaz Show' has finished! Maybe you disagree.

[hass]

i totally agree with you. nothing got said when he hid the food, but when other housemates took things from him i.e. sezer throwing away his cereal he went ballistic and that counts as bullying? its wrong! glad hes gone!

[~*Xtine*~]

I agree 100% with what you have just said. He wanted all the limelight, and then as soon as everyone else started getting in on the action he had a hissy fit and stormed off! He was a bully himself Ie. Rufusing to stop touching Glyn when he politely asked him to! Im glad he's gone, now we can get to know the other housemates better.

[kingu]

Taking an incredible leap, and discounting all his physcial abuse of other housemates, and tossing out every verbal abuse he gave, I wanted him out of the house just due to his hours upon hours of acting or talking to the camera.

I've never viewed that as acceptable behavor for a housemate.

And I completely agree - he wasn't bullied, he got only a quarter of what he deserved from other housemates.

[albie]

They started it though. They didn't like his screeching girl over the top can I have an ice cream style.

They shunned him for being different.

And he simply wasn't having that.

And now they've twisted it to fool you lot.

[NateJ]

Originally posted by albieAnd now they've twisted it to fool you lot.

So you think it was a mass secret conspiricy by all the other HMs to fool the public into thinking that he was behaving badly towards them so they could get away with bullying him till he left?

That makes no sense on so many levels I don't know where to begin. I do know this though...

Fact: Not everyone gets along.
Fact: Shabaz was welcomed into the group on day one.
Fact: Shabaz was flambouant.
Fact: Shabaz is a 37 year old man.
Fact: When asked to tone down his behaviour that others found upsetting, he refused. He refused to even try!
Fact: Nobody forced him to hide the food, the other HMs weren't even there!
Fact: He was given chance after chance after chance.
Fact: Even his allies (like Pete) couldn't understand why he was so hell bent on self destruction.
Opinion: He shouldn't have been in there in the first place ~ he was an emotional timebomb waiting to go off.
Opinion: What happened to him was as a direct result of the way HE behaved and interacted with the group.

Who do you think the group will conspire to 'bully' out next?

[Ruth]

Originally posted by NateJ
Bullying hinges on the innocence of the victim. For whatever reason (usually because they are in some way different) the victim cannot change their circumstance to escape. Lisp, limp, skin colour, sexuality, size of their nose, academic ability... whatever. Shabaz was welcomed into the group at the start. He made the problems that finally, and justly crushed him.

But surely the punishment should fit the crime? Thirteen people ganging up on one is not fair. If they are all so big and clever, why did it need all of them to have a go at him. And if they thought his behaviour was so bad, why did they lower themselves to his level? And why did they delight in their behaviour towards him? This wasn't just sheer retaliation - they enjoyed their nastiness.

Originally posted by NateJ
Simply put, Shabaz had it coming. The way he treated poor Glyn was unforgivable. The way he hid the food. The way he spoke down to people etc, etc, etc. If Shebaz was as pure as the driven snow then it would have been different. There is a lesson here for the viewers. Treat others with respect if you want any back.

The way he treated Glyn was wrong. I think BB should have intervened there and told him to stop touching Glyn. Maybe another member of the group should have had a word with Shahbaz about that - not Glyn himself, as he clearly didn't know how to deal with the situation - maybe Richard could have said something as Shahbaz could hardly accuse him of being homophobic.

Originally posted by NateJ
I am not saying that his father was right to have beaten him with a hammer. But in fairness there were many times when I was watching him and I wished that someone in there would just chin him!

At the risk of sounding like a dippy hippy, I don't think violence would have solved anything. And at least nobody lowered themselves to that level.

Originally posted by NateJ
He is a waste of skin, and I am glad we can get back to Big Brother now that the 'Look at Me I am Shabaz Show' has finished! Maybe you disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's gone, but I think the others were OTT in their treatment of him.

Of course, it's now the 'Look at me, I am Nikki show'.

[albie]

Why should he conform? Is he a sheep like Richard? Quite obviously he couldn't change. That's who he naturally is. It's called being proud to be gay. Irritating or not.

How is this an excuse for making someone feel so low?

Clearly you've left a lot of unhappy people in YOUR wake.

Gripper Stebson!

[NateJ]

I see your point up to a point Albie.

If you ask to live in a group, you have to be prepared to fit in with the group... at least slightly. Nobody was asking him to change his sexuality, just to keep his hands to himself a bit. If it had been a 37 year old man refusing to stop pawing a 18 year old girl, the papers would have been running a very different story!!!!

When he was politely asked not to continually grope Glyn, he refused point blank to even try! Think about how hard that conversation must have been for Glyn to go through. In my book, that makes the guy a lecherous old perv.

Not sure what a gripper is... but Shabaz was deffo a groper

[Bubs]

I can see both sides of the arguement tbh!! Imean without question some of Shabaz's behaviour was out of order having said that I don't think the other housemates have acted like perfect angels either in all honesty!!

[albie]

Shabhez felt like he was being picked on - hence he refused to stop touching Glynis Barber. Although he did stop. To stop touching him would have seemed like he was ashamed of being tactile. Lots of people are tactile. I can't stand it myself, but I'm repressed. He was backed into a corner over this touching stuff. If he agreed to stop he was saying it was a sexual thing and if he refused to stop then he looks a perve. He coudln't win. And I think he knew by now that he had no hope of being accepted by the group. So why bother not to upset them? They clearly deserved it.

Everyone else is touching each other. They simply didn't like HIM doing it.

Because he just doesn't fit into their image. Too weird for them. Too different.

Richard is about as outre as a length of plastic telephone conduit...yet he thinks he's a freak out? He met his match, and realised he was ordinary after all. Couldn't take it.

Peter doesn't challenge him, because he's a ****. He get's the 'Awww' factor.

[Wellsita]

Originally posted by albie
Everyone else is touching each other. They simply didn't like HIM doing it.

Because he just doesn't fit into their image. Too weird for them. Too different.

I agree with you, Albie! And I thought it was bullying, especially when Sezar threw his food twice in the bin and Lisa called Shebaz a food waster! Out of Order! Was he annoying? Yes! Did he deserve to be treated like an animal? No!

[NateJ]

C'mon, it went way beyond annoying. Jade was annoying. Shebaz was doing things intentionally to upset the group. They forgave him over and over until they finally snapped.

Still Uri Gellar has given him his blessing and he's a great judge of character isn't he. One of Michael Jackson's best mates ~ LOL

[saj]

i disagree Natej and im sorry to say If you dont call chucking food in the bin, stealing somebodys clothes, tkaing the piss out of them, tauntin them with food which is against their religion as bullying then you are mistaken. you obviously need to know what bullying means if that is the case. and even if shahbaz did piss of the group which I agree he did, it was different for them, they all had each other as allies. shahbaz had no one. fact! they didnt like him from the start, they were bitching about him being too hyper and thats when things started.

[saj]

and they kept saying they forgave him but they didnt. they ignored him and deserted him.
at the end of the day, the only one in that house who isnt a bully is Pete. and theyre all gonna know about it when theyre evicted and in four years time when they havent spoken to shahbazs for four year, they will cringe when they look at that footage. only pete can have his head held high over it but he might blame himself for not publicly sticking up for shahbaz but he shouldnt feel guilty

[texbex]

he wasnt bullied but he was given sum abuse i think

[saj]

did you see the show textbex? throwing his breakfast away, all crowding around him pointing at him, taunting him with bacon when he is a muslim, stealing his clothes, laughing at him . thats more than abuse!

[hass]

did you see him touching up 18 year old lads, hiding the food in the garden, acting like a tw*t, eating all the food? thats more than being a complete pr*ck.

[MissZoe__]

Lisa had no right to have a go at him the way she did, Sezer had a part in the milk wasting. Yet he just stood back smirking as she had a go at him...

[hass]

she did have a right to have ago at him. she cant have a go at whoever she wants.

i agree if she would have been told what was going on she could of held onto her anger, but what she seen was shahbaz pouring loads of milk onto a heap of cereal, she didnt hear the arguments with sezer at all, so in her eyes he was wasting all the food.

[albie]

Touching up 18 year old lads? It's a bit manipulative to use those words. You sound like a conseravative opposition mp exaggerating some foible commited by a Labour mp.

In other words...nobody trusts your opinion.

[shadyladyuk]

shabaz was A PAIN IN THE BUM i would have killed him!!!!

[hass]

Originally posted by albie
Touching up 18 year old lads? It's a bit manipulative to use those words. You sound like a conseravative opposition mp exaggerating some foible commited by a Labour mp.

In other words...nobody trusts your opinion.

i dont want nobody to trust my opinion, because that is all it is, an opinion.

but i am telling you the truth, he was touching up an 18 year old lad, its not manipulative at all, its what he was doing!

[~*Xtine*~]

Originally posted by albie
Touching up 18 year old lads? It's a bit manipulative to use those words. You sound like a conseravative opposition mp exaggerating some foible commited by a Labour mp.

In other words...nobody trusts your opinion.

I agree with Hass...Thats what he was doing! What else would u call stroking him, and groping him all the time?! A bit of fun?..I dont think so! Glyn even bravely made the point to him that he did not like what he was doing, yet he continued regardless! Its sick if u ask me

[NateJ]

Shabaz who? I thought we'd moved on to Bonner's suitcase now