[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by matt2201

For anybody who asks "why do gay people follow a religion that says being gay is a sin?", shouldn't you also be asking "why do adulterers follow a religion not only says that adultery is a sin, but where it's also one of the 10 commandments?".

who is asking "why do gay people follow a religion that says being gay is a sin?"



apart from you

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by karezza

Homosexuality is antiChristian. David is entitled to his views.

Yes, and it wasn't so long ago (the 19th century and before) that Christians justified slavery and their apalling of people based on their colour?

Fortunately, we live in more enlightened times so eventually the Church will realise that Gays and Lesbians are born that way and it isn't about a lifestyle choice, far from it, then there will be the same apologies for the horrendous way in which Gays and Lesbians have been treated just the same as the way black people were treated, ALL justified by some obscure passages in the Bible.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who is asking "why do gay people follow a religion that says being gay is a sin?"



apart from you

Many Gay people don't follow Christianity and are either agnostic, total non believers or followers of other religions which are enlightened and tolerant such as Paganism, Wicca etc.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Yes, and it wasn't so long ago (the 19th century and before) that Christians justified slavery and their apalling of people based on their colour?

Fortunately, we live in more enlightened times so eventually the Church will realise that Gays and Lesbians are born that way and it isn't about a lifestyle choice, far from it, then there will be the same apologies for the horrendous way in which Gays and Lesbians have been treated just the same as the way black people were treated, ALL justified by some obscure passages in the Bible.

Like muslims too?

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Many Gay people don't follow Christianity and are either agnostic, total non believers or followers of other religions which are enlightened and tolerant such as Paganism, Wicca etc.

Wicca my arse!!! That is biggest BS out there.

[KG.]

Originally Posted by jimbobster

Being gay is disgusting yukkk

i dont know how another man would let another man put his nob in another mans dirt hole errrrrrr yukkk

these people must get all sorts of dirty penis diseases lol, i dont mind gays aslong as they keep there gayness to themselves and dont influence society and children coz that is wrong. Alot things on tv these days influence children to be gay and think its the normality when it isnt but what can you do when we have sickos run our tv broadcasting.. oh well we live in a world where everything thats is wrong is right and everything that is right is wrong and thats a fact.

What a fucking immature and ill informed post.

[jimbobster]

Originally Posted by KG.

What a fucking immature and ill informed post.

Ill informed? yeah right fool, just coz i do not agree with people wrong in there life!

It is disgusting and it is against humanity, you need to wake up and see what is wrong and right or has everyone on this Earth lost there mind and think wrong is right?

I love the gay executions in Iran, atleast they know how to deal with the problem lol

[Niall]

Originally Posted by angus58

He said HE would not conduct a marriage ceremony between a gay couple as this would compromise his Christian beliefs and he is entitled to that stance. It has nothing to do with homophobia. I loathe any type of discrimination where it is unmerited, but in the case of religion which is a personal choice I do not see why someone should have to compromise their faith to accommodate the often secular opinions of others. There are plenty of other Christian demoninations who feel the same way, and would not entertain a gay marriage. Nobody has said gay people cannot get married if they so wish. A lot of ministers will not marry straight people who are not regular churchgoers, and quite right too. The church isn't there as a backdrop to your wedding pics, it should mean something, otherwise go do the deed in a registry office (as I did as I'm not a hypocrite).

If a gay couple want a religious ceremony one would have to ask WHY? when it so clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is not condoned. If you have decided to follow a religion you cannot just cherry pick the bits you agree with and ignore the bits don't.

I never said anything about homophobia. All I'm saying is that (even if it does go against his church) I don't really think you can say you accept gay people, and then not allow them equal rights with straight people.

And, I know you can't cherry pick pieces of your religion. I'm Catholic, and I feel that because I'm gay my religion conflicts with who I am -- I feel that because the Catholic church has such a backwards view towards not only homosexuality, but contraception too, that I cannot be confirmed. Don't get me wrong though, those are the parts of my religion I dislike, I love being Catholic lol

But if I were to go to church for Christmas/Easter then I would go to a Catholic church though.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by angus58

Seems you missed my point completely. So I will explain what I mean in detail, albeit this is only my personal opinion. Every single religion has its own belief system and "scriptures". Therefore it is every individual's personal choice to select that religion (or denomination thereof) that jives with their own beliefs, inclinations, moral compass whatever. Therefore a gay person has the same freedom of choice to believe or not believe in whatever a particular religion dictates.

What you don't do is CHOOSE to follow a faith or religion which is quite clearly AGAINST your particular path in life and then bleat and whinge about how it's discriminatory. There are plenty of Christian denominations that condone women priests, and just as many that don't. There are plenty of Christian denominations that condone gay marriage and just as many that don't. It's not like there's not a custom made religion for everybody since there are reportedly over 38000 denominations that ALL consider themselves Christian, so basically the cherry picking has already been done.

By the way I am not religious at all which is why I didn't get married in a Church, nor did I have my children christened since it would have been meaningless and hypocritical. But just because I am not religious doesn't mean I don't respect the right of others to believe what the hell they like.

As regards the molestation of choir boys, I think you'll find that's a given in the Catholic faith in which I was brought up till the age of 16 when I decided I could not believe in the virgin birth or some man in a frock "forgiving" my sins just so long as I spouted a hail mary or two. Like the legal system, the Law is nothing to do with justice, and Religion is often nothing to do with morality.

Ah but what if you were brought up in that faith, like I have been??

This is where it gets tricky.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by jimbobster

Ill informed? yeah right fool, just coz i do not agree with people wrong in there life!

It is disgusting and it is against humanity, you need to wake up and see what is wrong and right or has everyone on this Earth lost there mind and think wrong is right?

I love the gay executions in Iran, atleast they know how to deal with the problem lol

Intolerant ***t.