[calyman]

Originally Posted by vesavius

lol look at you attempting to remove a very valid event in which Ben showed his true colours before we start... classic argument tactics that try to counter a well known and very true point before they are made and you are forced to acknowledge them.

but ok, aside the fact that he was caught out bitching about Shabby in an attempt to alienate JJ further from her group and bring him into his....

Am I allowed to talk about his continous reassurance to Sunshine in week 1 that he was her friend, all the while repeatedly betraying her behind her back, even to the point of nomming her? As a further example of his betraying and backstabbing macavelian mindset I mean?

Look, even his allies are saying what he did last night was wrong... why would you think it wasnt?

His betrayel of SS has lost him now the trust of both JJ and Dave.

As I suspected then, nothing of substance has been added, apart from rehashing the same accusations which just don't measure up. The fact is, even with revisionism of the 1st weeks events, the most that that can be levelled against him is that he nominated sunshine, along with 9 other housemates doing the same. he expressed his doubt about her motives, then chose to nominate her. he then chose to see something in her which he liked and afterwards didn't nominate her in the 2nd week. The worst accusation that can be levelled against him is naivety in this respect.

As to his "bitching about Shabby", did you not watch what i watched? he was being unfairly harrassed by JJ and said he couldn't understandf why his "friend2 was doing that to him, giving the example of what he witnessed scabby doing behind JJ's back. His "friend" JJ then chose to inflate this out of all proportion and had no regard for the damage this would cause. The only saving grace for JJ was the obvious guilt and shame he felt for this betrayal. Again in real terms your "evidence2 remains spurious. You have just repeated the same old nonsense that is being played to death.

If there really was substance to your dislike of his alleged bitchiness, backstabbing, manipulation or any other spurious claims against him, you would give them, even without the ridiculous accusations so far made against him. You have failed to defend your points by substantive evidence, so once again, I suggest you have more of an open mind regarding Ben.