[-Sue-]

OH no I dont want to watch ife.. I want to watch the nest!

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Fortunately he's too old!

Dad's Army....he would make a good Sgt Wilson.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Julie10

People who think they talk the talk don't realise that they too can come across as boring. Ben loves to constantly call people boring but hes boring himself if he wants to talk about politics he should just go into politics. But no that would be too hard for lazy self rightious me me me Benny!

exactly he is so selfish and self involved that he only thinks his opinions & thoughts matter..he seems oblivious to the fact most of what spouts out of his mouth is vile...arrogant comments

[Marzy]

Steve is a bitter little toad who has a chip on his shoulder. He was a yob before he joined the army and dislikes Ben because he is a toff.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Dad's Army....he would make a good Sgt Wilson.

Good call!

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Dad's Army....he would make a good Sgt Wilson.

Monty Python : Dad's *****

[Amhuinn]

Hitler is a very contentious topic and if Ben said what he did, then he must have known that he would get a pretty explosive reaction. I'm sorry, but he can't be that naive. It is one of those things that people do tend to have a very strong and immediate reaction to. Perhaps they are misunderstanding him, but I think most people would, in all honesty.

I haven't heard what Ben has said (and there's no chance the whole thing will make the highlights within context), so I wouldn't like to judge him entirely from hearsay. He probably has some valid points, but I disagree that Britain should not have become involved in World War II. I think that enough people turned a blind eye before becoming involved as it is.

Ben must have wanted a reaction. He has slipped down in my estimations now and I did really like him.

[crit]

Originally Posted by Marzy

Steve is a bitter little toad who has a chip on his shoulder. He was a yob before he joined the army and dislikes Ben because he is a toff.

I think youre right. I saw a rather nastier side of Saint Steve the other evening in the tent making fiasco. Im convinced he has the hots for Corin and when he saw she was upset he did the alpha male bit, not pretty.

Bens opinions about what he thought the best way for Britain to have proceeded to deal with hitler were perfectly valid, in hindsight he might have a point, things might have been better for the UK had we kept out of it. Who knows, its his opinion and doubtless hes being pilloried for voicing it.

I think Saint Steve is a closet bully, will be interesting to watch what happens. Hes very boring, I know he cant get up and dance the hoochie coochie but he still has a mind and personality he could use...but hed rather just shout and gang up on people.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

people like Steve ,nathan and co will NEVER listen to anyones opinion (let alone understand)as they are too closeminded and sorry THICK,I was enjoying listening to Bens opinion but as usual he was shot down.

At least Ben knows what hes talking about ,he is educated unlike the village idiot and Jeremy Kyle fodder Nathan

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Julie10

People who think they talk the talk don't realise that they too can come across as boring. Ben loves to constantly call people boring but hes boring himself if he wants to talk about politics he should just go into politics. But no that would be too hard for lazy self rightious me me me Benny!

Well said Julie. He is a 30 who talks like a 50 year old but acts like a 15 year old. Ergo - He is a twat.

[Frank E]

"You've got no right to say that. Who are you? You're not an MP."

My MP has considerably less mobility than Steve requiring full time use of a wheelchair yet manages to represent her constituency.

I would listen to her on the history of WW2, not because she is an MP not just because she is a person, but because she has studied the subject matter at an advanced level, obtaining a degree in History and Politics.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Watching LF right now. I have nothing against Ben, but Steve is kinda right. Someone who has not seen the horror, don't usually know anything about it.

Well Ben can still have an opinion ffs. To say you can only have an opinion if youve SEEN the horrors first hand is blatantly ridiculous.

And anyways, there are ways of expressing things without getting all steamed up.

[stonedape]

I'm fine with doves like Ben or hawks like Steve. What I don't care for is chickenhawks.

[skkc16]

Chels has been twisting what ben said on every thread don't listen to her she is full of ****e now I don't know the exact words but I think what ben said was that the war cud have been avoided, something to do with foreign policies ge didn't support hitler at all...he also didn't say Britain shouldn't have fought against the Germans but that maybe we shouldn't want to get involved in wars that aren't ours in the first place

[erichardse10]

Well if Ben said that about Hitler, then no wonder Steve went mad. However I am still going to reserve judgement till I see tonight's show!.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by Chels

Anyone who says Hitler should have been left be and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war is a complete ****ing prick IMO. I can't believe he said that, no wonder Steve jumped down his throat!

I like Ben but if that's what he said then Steve was right

[terryrow]

i am sorry that steve has lost his legs, but if you join the army there is a good chance you will face some danger.
every bb year, when a housemate comes in with a disability they are made automatic favourites, e.g. mikey, pete bennett, why? is there some guilt trip that everone goes on. 'cant nominate him the public will hate me, cant vote for him he has no legs, this is not that kind of competition. stephen hawking would win every year.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Ben speaks and makes a lot of sense that the other HMs can't and fail to understand. Steve's only form of defence is to say "men died for your freedom." what a load of twaddle. Steve is now reverting to the bullying character I always thought he might be.

[CaudleHalbard]

Steve is typical cannon fodder, I'm afraid. Not too much between the ears!

And like the rest of them he has no real idea of why wars and counter-insurgency operations (mostly utterly pointless) are carried out.Those who want to rule the world rely on the likes of Steve to unthinkingly carry out orders.

Ben would never fit in to the armed forces!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

I believe its the other way round.. Ben should remove his head from his azz and stop talking sh*t .. all he cares about is his own opinion he has no time for anyone elses..

At least he has an opinion based on actual knowledge, not knee jerk reactions, and what's more he has the courtesy to listen to others' viewpoints (no matter how ridiculous) without shouting them down. He is also articulate and able to string a sentence together without the need to use the word ***** as a conjunction.

[Mystic Mock]

steve can just piss off.

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Originally Posted by angus58

At least he has an opinion based on actual knowledge, not knee jerk reactions, and what's more he has the courtesy to listen to others' viewpoints (no matter how ridiculous) without shouting them down. He is also articulate and able to string a sentence together without the need to use the word ***** as a conjunction.

thats silly of course the HMs listen...if they did not listen they wouldn't reply! silly..

Nathan wasn't shouting at Ben .. Ben was doing his usual avoidance of answering a simple question with one of his many get out of jail free cards.. or yet another boring speech.. thus avoiding the decency of replying to nathan's question so Nathan was forced to ask him over and over I dont know if you have ever spoken to someone so wrapped up in nothing but their own opinions they are deaf to the world & people around them... very frustrating to have a 2 sided discussion with..

[James]

I've deleted some posts in this thread. Keep to the topic and don't insult other posters for their opinion. Also no over-the-top criticism of housemates.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

thats silly of course the HMs listen...if they did not listen they wouldn't reply! silly..

Nathan wasn't shouting at Ben .. Ben was doing his usual avoidance of answering a simple question with one of his many get out of jail free cards.. or yet another boring speech.. thus avoiding the decency of replying to nathan's question so Nathan was forced to ask him over and over I dont know if you have ever spoken to someone so wrapped up in nothing but their own opinions they are deaf to the world & people around them... very frustrating to have a 2 sided discussion with..

Nathan is a thick prat and Ben has to try and talk to him in words of one syllable in order that he can understand what the subject under debate is, and still Nathan and the other thick prats only hear what they want to hear and harangue Ben about unrelated and often erroneous issues. They don't "reply" to anything, they react, there's a difference.

Furthermore, I am only too aware of the frustration of trying to debate with someone who is too wrapped up in their own opinion - after all I am engaging in this discussion with you

[GiRTh]

You're arguing semantics claiming Steve wasn't a war hero cuz he was injured in NI.
It does not matter if you agree or disagree with British occupancy in regions around the world. Steve was injured serving his country and for that alone he deserves respect.