[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by fingers

If he really believes all the crap he spouts then he is in dire need of psychiatric help, preferably in a secure institution

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by fingers

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

Hmm...the Catholic Church is probably the biggest money maker of them all, and like every money making organisation you cant say for 100% sure that every penny is spent where it should be or that every person 'in charge' has altruistic motives..

I'm just trying to say that while I dont believe the stuff he speaks, I really think he does...and because I cant do that double quoting malarkey, to the last person who posted after me, I think you'll find that ALL religions tell their stories and believe their doctrines and scriptures to be fact, and tell them as so...that's the point, they believe their faith is fact....and can any of them prove anything? Not one...which is why there are so many people without faith.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Hmm...the Catholic Church is probably the biggest money maker of them all, and like every money making organisation you cant say for 100% sure that every penny is spent where it should be or that every person 'in charge' has altruistic motives..

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dave is a con man, no actual church would go near him.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dave is a con man, no actual church would go near him.

Maybe not, but you cant just assume that the only reason he does this is to line his own pockets...the man knows he has put himself out there to be ridiculed by everyone, he's not Machiavelli he's just some bod from Wales. Myself, I'd wait to hear some horror stories of people who had been conned out of cash before I decided he was a con man, but that's just me

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

you cant just assume that the only reason he does this is to line his own pockets...

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

I actually didnt know his sloshfests were paid events...

wow, £30 a head to just pretend to get drunk in a shabby community hall?

Bargain.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

It's not that all, I just dont feel comfortable accusing anyone of being something as harsh as a charlatan or con man before I at least have some evidence to back it up.

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?

I'm a Ben fan primarily, this is not about protecting anyone...I just like to play devil's advocate when people get carried away

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

Most of them however, don't look on their "Donations" as their own private pension fund.

The McCanns have done very nicely out of their fraudelent fund too

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

If you put it like that it applies to every religion...miracles are the hardest thing in the world to believe....yes every Christian leader truly believe Christ walked on water and turned water into wine....feed the five thousand with a couple of loaves and fish...it all sounds bonkers when you really look at it.

The difference here is that Dave is telling us that supernatural happenings are happening everyday and that these events are fact, yet he offers no solid proof (nothing in fact past his own anecdotal stories).