[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by inone

thank god for atheism

lol.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

you cant just assume that the only reason he does this is to line his own pockets...

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

I actually didnt know his sloshfests were paid events...

wow, £30 a head to just pretend to get drunk in a shabby community hall?

Bargain.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

So why is he selling tickets to events every couple of weeks at £30.00 plus a ticket? Why aren't the events free? Why does he have to organise events to worship God, most Christians manage to worship with out that crap. Why is he helping to sell CDs and loads of other crap? Why is Dave sitting in a wheelchair being pushed around the streets collecting money and 'touching' people?

You just don't want to see Dave how he really is.

It's not that all, I just dont feel comfortable accusing anyone of being something as harsh as a charlatan or con man before I at least have some evidence to back it up.

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?

I'm a Ben fan primarily, this is not about protecting anyone...I just like to play devil's advocate when people get carried away

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

It's not that all, I just dont feel comfortable accusing anyone of being something as harsh as a charlatan or con man before I at least have some evidence to back it up.

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?

I'm a Ben fan primarily, this is not about protecting anyone...I just like to play devil's advocate when people get carried away

He said he packed in work to work for his Lord ,so that doesnt take a lot of working out does it ? hes travelled the world ,in the last couple of years since he started "working for Jesus"you cannot do this on giros alone

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Has anyone delved into what he does with the money? Can you prove he keeps it all for himself?

I have looked into it but I can't find any links to or evidence of any type of community project, and I know others here have said they have looked as well.

I believe links have even been requested to any kind of worthwhile use of the revenue generated.

None have been provided yet though, just unsupported vague claims of a donation of £20,000 to a single group of hungarian goat herders (or something) by Peter Plunker.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I actually didnt know his sloshfests were paid events...

wow, £30 a head to just pretend to get drunk in a shabby community hall?

Bargain.

Vesa are you up for going to his next one? I would LOVE to ,stand on a chair and heckle him

[Harry!]

I find it ironic as Channel 4 are money making swines themselves.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He said he packed in work to work for his Lord ,so that doesnt take a lot of working out does it ? hes travelled the world ,in the last couple of years since he started "working for Jesus"you cannot do this on giros alone

No you cant, but you cant just accuse people of theiving or conning either without some kind of proof.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Vesa are you up for going to his next one? I would LOVE to ,stand on a chair and heckle him

I would, but we would have to have a duel armed with wet fish over your scandalous views on Josie

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I have looked into it but I can't find any links to or evidence of any type of community project, and I know others here have said they have looked as well.

I believe links have even been requested to any kind of worthwhile use of the revenue generated.

None have been provided yet though, just unsupported vague claims
of a donation of £20,000 to a single group of hungarian goat herders (or something) by Peter Plunker.

Does he live a fancy lifestyle then? Does he have a massive house and smart car and go frittering away other people's money on flash holidays?

I really can see what you're saying, and why others get concerned, but I just think it's better to have all the facts before everyone just decides the fella is a conman. You;d also have to assume that C4 tried to find out a bit about him before he went into the house...at least you'd hope they would, I'm sure they would have to do a certain amount of background checks on everybody.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

No you cant, but you cant just accuse people of theiving or conning either without some kind of proof.

He charges cancer victims to pray for them ,he claims he has cured cancer ,he also claims he can grow back limbs ,he claims his flock can levitate,he claims hes has visions and predicted the Japanese earthquake(never rang the bbc or Japanese embassy )hes a CHARLATAN and a conman

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I would, but we would have to have a duel armed with wet fish over your scandalous views on Josie

We could put BB behind us for the day and give him $h1t !!!

[fingers]

He's taking his sloshfest to America, more expense!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Does he live a fancy lifestyle then? Does he have a massive house and smart car and go frittering away other people's money on flash holidays?

I really can see what you're saying, and why others get concerned, but I just think it's better to have all the facts before everyone just decides the fella is a conman. You;d also have to assume that C4 tried to find out a bit about him before he went into the house...at least you'd hope they would, I'm sure they would have to do a certain amount of background checks on everybody.

no, he lives at what I would consider a comfortable level on a wage that he draws fom the cult.

The rest stays in the bank, because it obviously isnt going anywhere else.

It would be silly for someone running a long con to drive a lamborghini around right now right? Don't be fooled though, Dave has already talked of his friends in the US running ministries that take 'hundreds of thousands a year' in revenue and it's obvious he has his eye on the prize. Cults have terrific earning power once established.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

He's taking his sloshfest to America, more expense!

Hes been lots of times ,they LOVE him man over there ,they will do ,they are all as daft as him ,all into these Charlatans

[watchinittoomuch]

Blimey, I do hope if I ever go to court none of you lot are on the jury...talk about convicted without a trial

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

no, he lives at what I would consider a comfortable level on a wage that he draws fom the cult.

The rest stays in the bank, because it isnt going anywhere else.

It would be silly for someone running a long con to drive a lamborghini around right now right? Don't be fooled though, Dave has already talked of his friends in the US running ministries that take 'hundreds of thousands a year' in revenue and it's obvious he has his eye on the prize. Cults have terrific earning power once established.

And VERY dangerous

[fingers]

The wheezing drunk in full flow,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

Smell the oil and watch out for the indoor rain as well. This is Enoch-alation according to the Ch 4 buffoon!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

We could put BB behind us for the day and give him $h1t !!!

lol

[fingers]

More wheezing and lying!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6zp3...eature=related

[fingers]

Friar Vaughan in his wheelchair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OcPr...eature=related


Touching and healing!

[fingers]

More crap in Brighton! free Healing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecp8M...eature=related

[fingers]

I cannot believe that NO ONE at Channel 4 knew of this rubbish before he went into BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_41...eature=related

He's been posting this RUBBISH on YouTube for YEARS!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

I cannot believe that NO ONE at Channel 4 knew of this rubbish before he went into BB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_41...eature=related

He's been posting this RUBBISH on YouTube for YEARS!

Fingers,my nerves will not allow me to press ..play