[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by vesavius

There is nothing wrong with anyone talking to anyone, ofc. I have pretty much answered this though?

The point I am making, which I have observed in her, is that she does nothing except for her own amusement, no matter what that amusement costs her 'friend' emotionally.

No, I do not agree its her face that makes innocent actions look sinister, I think it's just that her motivations are actually, in fact, sinister.

out of interest what has she done with john which you consider so out of line?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

out of interest what has she done with john which you consider so out of line?

Everything I have been saying... I am sorry, I honestly don't know how else to explain what I have seen her doing then what I have said.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Everything I have been saying... I am sorry, I honestly don't know how else to explain what I have seen her doing then what I have said.

all you said is she smirks a little while she's with john.. you seem to think ive missed a big chunk of this nasty behavior,im just interested to know what is so nasty aside from some alleged smirking?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

all you said is she smirks a little while she's with john.. you seem to think ive missed a big chunk of this nasty behavior,im just interested to know what is so nasty aside from some alleged smirking?

No, that isnt all that I have said.. really. Here is a requote of a little of what I have said;

The other half of the situation is the way that her 'friend' Caoimhe, with no attraction to JJ herself, has used her flirting with him to deliberatly wind Josie up with smirks, smug looks, and obviously targetted under her breath comments. This has p1ssed Josie off as much as the jealosy because Josie sees it as pretty much a betrayal after she gave Caoimhe her hand in friendship when Shabby left.

It is exactly the same caoimhe we have seen since day 1 though, but some have short memories and a week of rising Josie's coat tails has made a lot of people forget.

Very little of the second half of all this has been shown though, so, to be fair, most arnt even aware of it.

Look, the truth is me saying anything isnt gonna convince you about anything that Caoimhe is or isnt, and thats fine, and it's getting late and I am tired lol... I will leave you to your own views on it all. I can only put it out there, it's up to you what you do with it

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

what if Quaver has good intentions?

maybe Quaver is winding up Josie deliberately to get Josie into a jealous rage JJ and Josie have a big row and then Josie blurts out how she feels, then they start to make out passionately and ******* like rabbits in the nest.

actually its JJ and Josie so maybe not

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

what if Quaver has good intentions?

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by vesavius

why you post a pic of Josie flying?

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

all you said is she smirks a little while she's with john.. you seem to think ive missed a big chunk of this nasty behavior,im just interested to know what is so nasty aside from some alleged smirking?

This is just it. Nothing has actually happened. When quizzed by JJ in the bathroom 2 nights ago in a highly illuminating conversation (in the context of Josie's neurosis and attempts at turning JJ away from Keeva) Josie said that Keeva was intentionally making her jealous with the smirks and the like. JJ said but you have tried to do exactly the same to me by mucking about with Andrew, where on she agreed but claimed that the difference was that Keeva was being smarmy and underhand about it. So all we really have are the perceptions of a jealous and mixed up woman to base this accusation on. The fact is that Josie had made the situation worse by changing beds which has lead her imagination to run riot. When she says that JJ and Keeva are sleeping together to the other HMs, it's as if they are having sex - nothing had changed other than Josie was no longer in the bed. At the moment JJ and Keeva seem to be enjoying each others company in a sort of playful way (hiding the plates etc last night) which for JJ is probably just some light relief from the heavy situations with Josie. Keeva really is a selfish person in every respect but I believe that she actually does like Josie and if Josie should be angry with anyone (other than herself of course) it should be JJ, her best mate who has left her in the sidelines... but only because he was pushed.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shiner

This is just it. Nothing has actually happened. When quizzed by JJ in the bathroom 2 nights ago in a highly illuminating conversation (in the context of Josie's neurosis and attempts at turning JJ away from Keeva) Josie said that Keeva was intentionally making her jealous with the smirks and the like. JJ said but you have tried to do exactly the same to me by mucking about with Andrew, where on she agreed but claimed that the difference was that Keeva was being smarmy and underhand about it. So all we really have are the perceptions of a jealous and mixed up woman to base this accusation on. The fact is that Josie had made the situation worse by changing beds which has lead her imagination to run riot. When she says that JJ and Keeva are sleeping together to the other HMs, it's as if they are having sex - nothing had changed other than Josie was no longer in the bed. At the moment JJ and Keeva seem to be enjoying each others company in a sort of playful way (hiding the plates etc last night) which for JJ is probably just some light relief from the heavy situations with Josie. Keeva really is a selfish person in every respect but I believe that she actually does like Josie and if Josie should be angry with anyone (other than herself of course) it should be JJ, her best mate who has left her in the sidelines... but only because he was pushed.

Exactly!

[aijay10]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Everything I have been saying... I am sorry, I honestly don't know how else to explain what I have seen her doing then what I have said.

I can see where your coming from with the whole "smirking" thing byt like you have to understand these guys are "friends" Like Caoimhe didnt initially realize that Josie was mad at her and thought she was just messing around with her and JJ!! Like Caoimhe is a real messer like you can tell, she reall just want to prank people and have a good time which she has proven a number of times in this last week alone, so I think that her smirks and whatnot could be misinterpreted sometimes... as coming across as being in a malicious manner just because of the "character" she is perceived as in the house!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by aijay10

I can see where your coming from with the whole "smirking" thing byt like you have to understand these guys are "friends" Like Caoimhe didnt initially realize that Josie was mad at her and thought she was just messing around with her and JJ!! Like Caoimhe is a real messer like you can tell, she reall just want to prank people and have a good time which she has proven a number of times in this last week alone, so I think that her smirks and whatnot could be misinterpreted sometimes... as coming across as being in a malicious manner just because of the "character" she is perceived as in the house!

Nah, that is just the Caoimhe BS spin. Causing sh1t for others for her own amusement and then feigning ignorance and innocence is what she has done since day 1.

Rotten to the core.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Nah, that is just the Caoimhe BS spin. Causing sh1t for others for her own amusement and then feigning ignorance and innocence is what she has done since day 1.

Rotten to the core.

That sounds more like Josie to me!

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That sounds more like Josie to me!

Absolutely.
"Oi'm not the brightest person in here but..." "Oi don't pick up on much 'round here but..." "Xyz told me that..." These are all well used devices which down play her actual level of involvement to the situations which enable her to pass on the information that she wanted to without actually taking any responsibility.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by aijay10

I can see where your coming from with the whole "smirking" thing byt like you have to understand these guys are "friends" Like Caoimhe didnt initially realize that Josie was mad at her and thought she was just messing around with her and JJ!! Like Caoimhe is a real messer like you can tell, she reall just want to prank people and have a good time which she has proven a number of times in this last week alone, so I think that her smirks and whatnot could be misinterpreted sometimes... as coming across as being in a malicious manner just because of the "character" she is perceived as in the house!

This!