[Shasown]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I am offended because that poster was insinuating (as some wrongly do) that people can choose their sexuality, you cannot...

No, but you can choose to follow a religion or not.

Dave is in your eyes a homophobe, however working on your logic, that would also mean ALL Catholics, CofE, CofS, members of the Anglican Communion of churches - well pretty much all adherents of any Christian Church bar a few small denominations, members of the Jewish faith, Muslims, Hindus, Seikhs, in fact most other religion that perform marriages are all homophobic. Simply because they are members of a religion that doesnt allow gay marriages.

[mikopale]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I am offended because that poster was insinuating (as some wrongly do) that people can choose their sexuality, you cannot...

If you know people that were gay but are now straight then they are Bi...

Unless they are those weirdo religious types who believe they have been somehow "cured" of their gayness, then they are just *******ed up & in denial...

But if they no longer have gay feelings then they are not bisexual, therefore cannot have been born gay.

Plus, you could come accross as being discriminating by refereing to religious people as 'those weirdo religious types'.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No, but you can choose to follow a religion or not.

Dave is in your eyes a homophobe, however working on your logic, that would also mean ALL Catholics, CofE, CofS, members of the Anglican Communion of churches - well pretty much all adherents of any Christian Church bar a few small denominations, members of the Jewish faith, Muslims, Hindus, Seikhs, in fact most other religion that perform marriages are all homophobic. Simply because they are members of a religion that doesnt allow gay marriages.

Pretty much yes

Just as if I were a member of the KKK I would be racist...

[AfroMullet]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

the "GOD" of the bible DOES discriminate

Dave has said is more a follower of Jesus who is lot more forgiving

God is Jesus. Jesus was the first concious human manifestation of god.

But LOL your sayin minorities like Daves discrimination against everyone, the only think i can think that he has said that could be concidered discimination is that he wouldnt marry gays, and aside from it not being legal, even if it was, why should he have to if he personally isnt OK with it.

But to say Dave is a homophobe is madness, have you seen the guy? Nine times outta 10 hes got his arm round a bloke or is kissing one.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by mikopale

But if they no longer have gay feelings then they are not bisexual, therefore cannot have been born gay.

Plus, you could come accross as being discriminating by refereing to religious people as 'those weirdo religious types'.

Ah, so they are the "in denial weirdo religious cured gays" then, thought so...

And good, to your second paragraph...

[mikopale]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Ah, so they are the "in denial weirdo religious cured gays" then, thought so...

And good, to your second paragraph...

So you agree that you are discriminating against religious people then?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Pretty much yes

Just as if I were a member of the KKK I would be racist...

Ever tried reconciling yourself to the fact, that religions are very slow in changing inline with modern society and its views, and as opposed to being institutionally homophobic they are just outdated and in a few decades time they may drag themselves closer to the 21st Century, or does your hatred of Dave blind you to that possibility?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by mikopale

So you agree that you are discriminating against religious people then?

Only if you agree that you are homophobic...

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Ever tried reconciling yourself to the fact, that religions are very slow in changing inline with modern society and its views, and as opposed to being institutionally homophobic they are just outdated and in a few decades time they may drag themselves closer to the 21st Century, or does your hatred of Dave blind you to that possibility?

Well I'm living in 2010 so would rather not have outdated views & discrimination now thanks...

[mikopale]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Only if you agree that you are homophobic...

I am not homophobic. I am not afraid of homosexuals. Some of my friends are gay. I don't act differently towards my gay friends than i do with my straight friends. What I am saying is, you obviously have a problem with that fact that people can have strong beliefs about their own faiths, and you feel insecure that their beliefs are stronger than yours, therefore you feel threatened, and want to attack those people by saying that they are discriminating gays when they are not. In the case of Dave, it is his personal opinion that he wouldn't conduct a gay ceremony which he has every right to have. Why can't you accept that and move on?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Well I'm living in 2010 so would rather not have outdated views & discrimination now thanks...

Wouldnt we all? But we both know it isnt going to happen for a while yet.

[toby843]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

YES IT IS!!! He could perform a civil partnership if he so wished, he isn't a bloody Catholic Priest is he?! He has his own made up loony religion...

He says he would not do it OUT OF PERSONAL CHOICE that is discrimination

I'm sorry but it clearly states in the Bible that being gay is wrong, many many times. Dave is only following his religion, which, yes, is something he chooses to do, but he can in no way be called discriminatory for it any more than he could for following any of the other biblical guidelines. I think everyone on this thread who is trying to make out he is as bad as a racist needs to take step back a minute and take a look at what they are saying and really think it through.
Why in this country do we feel the need to head down this blame culture and look for reasons to hate people? Another good example is the instant thread on how people are saying Keeley deserves compensation, why does she? She willingly entered the house having been made fully aware of the fact there would be physical tasks, she had as much protection on as you could wear, ie, helmet, elbow and knee pads, the surface was smooth and not unreasonably high. Now are we saying that the military shouldn't climb 6 and 9 foot walls on obstacle courses in training because they are too high? Where do we think the money will come from when people sue?? Our pockets. A woman sued the local council because when she was sat in the park under a tree and a small branch fell and hit her and caused no permanent damage. Are acts of mother nature the councils fault now? The money people sue for means it doesn't get spent on the things we really need. Why don't people see this. I'm sure endemol are well insured but in todays economical climate most large corporations are in some way government funded, see where I'm going?
Lets not forget that by heritage, law, popular culture and tradition, Great Britain is a christian country, whether you practice or not, so lets stick to at least part of our heritage and see that Dave is only living his life in line with his beliefs. If we can allow Sharia law in Islamic areas of the country then I'm pretty sure Dave should be allowed to follow the country's traditional religion, all be it a slightly personalised version.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by doughnut8

I can not stand his FAKE sincerity and his open disgust at minorities like gay people. I say send him a message and he can stick his vile agenda and get him OUT NOW! Call: 09011 323 004

He has never expressed any disgust for gay people - I accuse you of being an out and out liar! Stick your hysterical lies where the sun don't shine!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Well I'm living in 2010 so would rather not have outdated views & discrimination now thanks...

You live in 1980 and have outdated views.
I am almost certain I saw you here going on about how gays were 'born that way' and how they were a 'minority group' and all this outdated 60's agenda crap.

In fact, if you look at the USA right now you see they are now REPEALING gay marriage. Even in their most progressive States known for being at the forefront of various culture movement the trend is to repeal these 'gay marriage' bills.

Now take a look at the UK. The BNP is the forefront 'reform' movement with the new increasingly popular views.
Not socially liberal '60s philosophy' left-wing parties who's Dinosaur radicals are a thing of the past.
Especially interesting to me is actually talking to the up and coming hip urban homosexuals.
I like to relate this story because it's such a great 'picture':
- two younger guys and a girl are talking and groan about here comes Gerald. A man about 50 approaches them and honestly I could just tell he was some old 'gay rights' homo from across the street. Something about the beard lol.
Anyways, Gerry has some pamphlets and is 'organizing' at street level. he comes over and is being important.
Gerry moves on.. i guess to go 'street level organize' elsewhere.
One says "Dude.. he wants to suck your dick hahaha!"
"yeah.. he would too.. he is a nice guy but I hate that ****".
they mock his age group.
"he even believes that stuff about how there are 'gays' and born gay and all that bullshlte"
The girl chimes in the laughing at Gerry's old beliefs "they need to get real..everyone is OMNI sexual".
There is no 'homosexuals and lesbians'.. the other chips in "Ya.. but that was his age group.. they believed that i guess".
They scoff at that.

In fact their belief system is older than Gerry's. That WAS the way homosexuality (which wasn't called or categorized in this way) but how it was through human history.
It was a sexual thing you did.
A Greek might have a teen boy and use him for sex until age 25 and then marry a woman.
the same Greek may turn 50 and decide to get another young man for sex.
And have sex with his slave girl.
a Roman might have sex with women all the time but for a while decide to take take a few turns with an Ethiopian youth at the orgies. Then not do it next year.
One Caesar was into a man for a while.

But here in modern times it's people like you and Gerry who are living in the past holding onto this strange notion/religious belief that there is a world where a type of human is born called a homosexual.
These are like a gender.
These different types of humans are then categorized as a separate group of humans and ought to have specific laws and protections.
Get with the times.
This isn't 1980 anymore. Get off that nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dave discriminates against intelligent people in that he avoids them as they see through his bs

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dave discriminates against intelligent people in that he avoids them as they see through his bs

Ha, ha - and of course you see yourself as one of those 'intelligent' people! In my book - it isn't very 'intelligent' to jump on these hate the 'weirdo' bandwagons!

As a hm he is interesting and funny - and that is why I like him!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Ha, ha - and of course you see yourself as one of those 'intelligent' people! In my book - it isn't very 'intelligent' to jump on these hate the 'weirdo' bandwagons!

As a hm he is interesting and funny - and that is why I like him!

You dont like him Wombai you sexually fancy him and as such are blind to who he really is.

He is a lying rat who copied some twit from America in order to build status for himself.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You live in 1980 and have outdated views.
I am almost certain I saw you here going on about how gays were 'born that way' and how they were a 'minority group' and all this outdated 60's agenda crap.

In fact, if you look at the USA right now you see they are now REPEALING gay marriage. Even in their most progressive States known for being at the forefront of various culture movement the trend is to repeal these 'gay marriage' bills.

Now take a look at the UK. The BNP is the forefront 'reform' movement with the new increasingly popular views.
Not socially liberal '60s philosophy' left-wing parties who's Dinosaur radicals are a thing of the past.
Especially interesting to me is actually talking to the up and coming hip urban homosexuals.
I like to relate this story because it's such a great 'picture':
- two younger guys and a girl are talking and groan about here comes Gerald. A man about 50 approaches them and honestly I could just tell he was some old 'gay rights' homo from across the street. Something about the beard lol.
Anyways, Gerry has some pamphlets and is 'organizing' at street level. he comes over and is being important.
Gerry moves on.. i guess to go 'street level organize' elsewhere.
One says "Dude.. he wants to suck your dick hahaha!"
"yeah.. he would too.. he is a nice guy but I hate that ****".
they mock his age group.
"he even believes that stuff about how there are 'gays' and born gay and all that bullshlte"
The girl chimes in the laughing at Gerry's old beliefs "they need to get real..everyone is OMNI sexual".
There is no 'homosexuals and lesbians'.. the other chips in "Ya.. but that was his age group.. they believed that i guess".
They scoff at that.

In fact their belief system is older than Gerry's. That WAS the way homosexuality (which wasn't called or categorized in this way) but how it was through human history.
It was a sexual thing you did.
A Greek might have a teen boy and use him for sex until age 25 and then marry a woman.
the same Greek may turn 50 and decide to get another young man for sex.
And have sex with his slave girl.
a Roman might have sex with women all the time but for a while decide to take take a few turns with an Ethiopian youth at the orgies. Then not do it next year.
One Caesar was into a man for a while.

But here in modern times it's people like you and Gerry who are living in the past holding onto this strange notion/religious belief that there is a world where a type of human is born called a homosexual.
These are like a gender.
These different types of humans are then categorized as a separate group of humans and ought to have specific laws and protections.
Get with the times.
This isn't 1980 anymore. Get off that nonsense.

I'm sorry but I couldn't be bothered to read all your drivel that you once again spout...

It is very very plain what your views on homosexuals is so your opinion is completely irrelevant & offensive... and actually your views are prehistoric!

Yes people are born gay. Get over it. Do you honestly believe we all woke up one day & decided to be gay?? Just shows your ignorance really

And for the record I don't want to be a "minority group" or "treated specially" I would just like the same respect & treatment as every one else, thanks

Now go find an American anti-gay forum & spout your offensive views on there...

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by doughnut8

I can not stand his FAKE sincerity and his open disgust at minorities like gay people. I say send him a message and he can stick his vile agenda and get him OUT NOW!

Tell that to muslims. Thank You.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I'm sorry but I couldn't be bothered to read all your drivel that you once again spout...

No offence flamingGalah, but i think if you can't be bothered to read through all of ElProximo's post, then you shouldn't be passing comment.

Maybe i'm wrong, but my interpretation of what ElProximo was saying (in a nutshell) - was that we are all born bisexual to some varying degree.

[Chuckyegg]

Oh i was under the impression that his God thing was on the back boiler. He was all "Godded out" after the first month.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by toby843

I'm sorry but it clearly states in the Bible that being gay is wrong, many many times....

Really? Many times? Where exactly?

The Bible also advocates beating your wife, beating your children, selling your children into slavery, owning slaves, stoning people to death for adultery and burning people to death for growing two kinds of crops in the same field.

If you're going to suggest that because something is in the Bible it has to be adhered to, I think everyone on this forum, including me, is in big, BIG trouble.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

No offence flamingGalah, but i think if you can't be bothered to read through all of ElProximo's post, then you shouldn't be passing comment.

Maybe i'm wrong, but my interpretation of what ElProximo was saying (in a nutshell) - was that we are all born bisexual to some varying degree.

No offence but butt out

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Livia

Really? Many times? Where exactly?

The Bible also advocates beating your wife, beating your children, selling your children into slavery, owning slaves, stoning people to death for adultery and burning people to death for growing two kinds of crops in the same field.

If you're going to suggest that because something is in the Bible it has to be adhered to, I think everyone on this forum, including me, is in big, BIG trouble.

Looks like we are both going to that warm place when we die then eh? I hear the music is better down there anyway.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Looks like we are both going to that warm place when we die then eh? I hear the music is better down there anyway.

Thinking about what some (not all...) reglious people are like, who the hell would want to spend eternity with them anyway?!

See you there. It'll be your round.