[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

I still require it

You can't handle it.

Yes, mentally deficient people

Nope. It's better pulled off by more intelligent people. I think deficient ones can do it too.
The main thing is that you now agree this can happen. I feel better knowing you are just a little more educated.

[Shasown]

If you look at his videos, there are signs in some that say Free Healing. He offers blessings which he claims are from "God" and that god can cure people or at least make their lives better.

Him using a wheelchair is probably due to the drunk state he claims God's Love puts him in, or as apparent in one video as an attractor to the public, he doesnt claim to be physically unable to walk. (Careful editing?).

If he did make claims of being able to cure people and asked for money he would open himself up for prosecution under Consumer Protection Regulations. Similarly if he started diagnosing illness he would also be open under the Medical Act 1983.

The important thing to remember legally is that saying he did cure someone and saying he can cure someone are two entirely different things, one allows you to verify his claim if you want to. The other allows him to hide behind "the God will provide the cure" defence.

The form of healing he is offering is akin to Spiritual Healing and Reiki etc, which are recognised alternative therapies and are legal.

In my opinion he is not a lot different to buskers on the street an annoyance to some and entertaining to others.

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You can't handle it.

You can't provide it

Originally Posted by ElProximo

The main thing is that you now agree this can happen. I feel better knowing you are just a little more educated.

Glad you feel better. It still isn't the true in daves case

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Not into symbolic gestures then!

I'm not into a piss taking ex druggie buffoon claiming he can cure cancer whilst being wheeled around Guildford high street, wearing a monks robe & laughing like a deranged hyena, no...

[housemate]

He is doing this in the name of God, not as an alternative Health Practioner.
He wasn't (as far as I'm aware) asking for donations on that street but he was asking people to join his Organisation ... as I have said previously, these sects, or whatever you choose to call them cannot run on fresh air.
I always give money to Buskers, Big Issuers and down and outs and the Sick ....or anybody in need come to that... these are generally the people who are most likely to reach out for any chance of hope and whom Davids Sloshfests and offers of salvation appear to be aimed at.

[WOMBAI]

Undoubtedly Christianity today does have a very dated, dictorial, reserved and austere image - one with which doesn't sit well with today's youngsters, who have grown up in a more free-thinking generation!

As a result - the number of Christians and churchgoers have dropped significantly! I can understand the idea that Dave's group have adopted and tried to attach a more 'modern' fun image onto Christianity with their less formal, unreserved, sloshfests and publicity stunts! All about 'reaching' a wider audience! It doesn't make it sinister!

Whether people approve is a matter of taste, but if their sentiments behind it are genuine, and as far as I can see - there is no reason to suppose they are not - that is what counts - not the way they go about it - surely!

[flamingGalah!]

Another point, did anyone hear the converstaion between Dave & Mario, when Mario thought Dave lived in Newbury?

Dave said he didn't live there then said " I wish I did, lotsa money there..."

Obviously thinks his cult could con a pretty penny out of those west Berkshire folk...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I'm not into a piss taking ex druggie buffoon claiming he can cure cancer whilst being wheeled around Guildford high street, wearing a monks robe & laughing like a deranged hyena, no...

piss-taking = opinion, nothing more
ex druggie = good that he is ex
buffoon = opinion
claiming he can cure cancer = not exactly what he said, words in mouth
deranged hyena = opinion

Still see no facts!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Undoubtedly Christianity today does have a very dated, dictorial, reserved and austere image - one with which doesn't sit well with today's youngsters, who have grown up in a more free-thinking generation!

As a result - the number of Christians and churchgoers have dropped significantly! I can understand the idea that Dave's group have adopted and tried to attach a more 'modern' fun image onto Christianity with their less formal, unreserved, sloshfests and publicity stunts! All about 'reaching' a wider audience! It doesn't make it sinister!

Whether people approve is a matter of taste, but if their sentiments behind it are genuine, and as far as I can see - there is no reason to suppose they are not - that is what counts - not the way they go about it - surely!

If it was a sincere I might agree but piecing together the you tube vids and what I see hear him saying in the house (lets not go over it again ... I have personally heard him go against the principles he proffesses to teach) then how is anyone expected to believe that he IS sincere? As he would say 'It doesn't add up'

[Marzy]

Originally Posted by housemate

Well I hadn't and quite frankly unless you have a warrant I'll darn well post what I like!

You do that, keep it on the front page because i hadn't seen it and quite frankly am disgusted. What a sicko!!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Another point, did anyone hear the converstaion between Dave & Mario, when Mario thought Dave lived in Newbury?

Dave said he didn't live there then said " I wish I did, lotsa money there..."

Obviously thinks his cult could con a pretty penny out of those west Berkshire folk...

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

piss-taking = opinion, nothing more
ex druggie = good that he is ex
buffoon = opinion
claiming he can cure cancer = not exactly what he said, words in mouth
deranged hyena = opinion

Still see no facts!

Piss-taking = Not opinion, he is...
ex druggie = doubtful if he actually is an ex one...
buffoon = FACT
claiming he can cure cancer = EXACTLY what he said!
deranged hyena = FACT

See you are still wrong...

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then...

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Marzy

You do that, keep it on the front page because i hadn't seen it and quite frankly am disgusted. What a sicko!!

The "Glory" groupies get pissed off when we remind others who haven't seen the Vids,just what a vile human being he is.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

If it was a sincere I might agree but piecing together the you tube vids and what I see hear him saying in the house (lets not go over it again ... I have personally heard him go against the principles he proffesses to teach) then how is anyone expected to believe that he IS sincere? As he would say 'It doesn't add up'

Well as I have not heard him do so - it is hard for me to comment on that! That could again - just come down to interpretation and opinion!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then...

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

Hunger??

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

You Are just here to back him, no matter what aren't you! I really hope that someone YOU love doesn't ever come into contact, through desperation, with the likes of Dave or his cronies

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then...

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

Nothing you have 'presented' would hold water in a court of law - that deals in facts - not supposition and personal interpretation! Simples!

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Nothing you have 'presented' would hold water in a court of law - that deals in facts - not supposition and personal interpretation! Simples!

So you have not been able to think up some long winded & far fetched excuse for him yet then?? Good oh...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

You Are just here to back him, no matter what aren't you! I really hope that someone YOU love doesn't ever come into contact, through desperation, with the likes of Dave or his cronies

I genuinely don't believe he is the type of man that you lot have painted him! The prosecution has not proven its case - therefore I remain steadfast in my views that the guy is ok!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Well as I have not heard him do so - it is hard for me to comment on that! That could again - just come down to interpretation and opinion!

Well then as such a vocal advocate of his maybe you should take the trouble to do so! You can't comment untill you have seen him in both sides of the argument for yourself surely?
Come back when you have bothered to do your research!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

So you have not been able to think up some long winded & far fetched excuse for him yet then?? Good oh...

I don't need to - the onis is on the prosecution - the law of the land! You have failed to 'PROVE' anything!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

Well then as such a vocal advocate of his maybe you should take the trouble to do so! You can't comment untill you have seen him in both sides of the argument for yourself surely?
Come back when you have bothered to do your research!

Your 'research' is only what you claim it to be! If I have good reason to doubt him - then so be it - but so far I do not! I repeat - it is up to you to prove he is the charleton you claim he is - otherwise such allegations are potentially libellous!

You remind me of the tabloids like The Sun - just spouting a load of unsubstantiated bile about someone currently in the public eye. See no real difference!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I genuinely don't believe he is the type of man that you lot have painted him! The prosecution has not proven its case - therefore I remain steadfast in my views that the guy is ok!

That I can respect, I don't want to alter your opinion in the least but you said you haven't heard or seen him doing anything wrong ... its not subjective when he tells his 'friend' that he would never turn on him and within seconds of that person leaving, tells everyone that he wouldn't trust him as far as he can throw him! This behaviour is not acceptable by any of the HMs but from a self proffessed man of God it is diabolical in the extreme.
If you haven't heard him say that and similar things then, as I said before ... you need to do a bit more research before defending him blindly.

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Your 'research' is only what you claim it to be! If I have good reason to doubt him - then so be it - but so far I do not! I repeat - it is up to you to prove he is the charleton you claim he is - otherwise such allegations are potentially libellous!

You remind me of the tabloids like The Sun - just spouting a load of unsubstantiated bile about someone currently in the public eye. See no real difference!

Grow up, silly little person ... I (unlike you it seems) viewed Dave as a blank page when he went into the house ... I have warched, listened and researched. If you had done that you might have a more balanced argument which I would greatly welcome as a soutce of debate on the matter!