[Sunday]

Originally Posted by rhino

A girl did go in and say all the things he did - it was Josie herself!!!! If you are going to constantly joke about yourself in such a self-depretiating way, some people will join in thinking its just fun and its ok. Then its a case of how far is too far. When does the joke stop being a joke and start becoming personal? Perhaps Sam gets this wrong sometimes - but his intentions do not appear to be malicious - he just doesn't always judge boundaries well

Yes he has gone too far. But I dont just mean to her but all the comments to other housemates too.
Even the housemates are tollerating his abuse but I know they would not have if Sam was a girl.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Sunday

Yes he has gone too far. But I dont just mean to her but all the comments to other housemates too.
Even the housemates are tollerating his abuse but I know they would not have if Sam was a girl.

I think we will agree to differ on this because I dont see any 'abuse'. If John James behaves like a 'pr*ck', Sam calls him a pr*ck', thats not abuse, If he 'digs' at Dave its because Dave constantly digs at him and tries to provoke a situation where Sam will be in conflict. When he said he didn't trust Dave was he wrong? No every opportunity Dave has had when Sam is not in the room, he has used to bitch about him. Sam knew they were talking about him when he walked in the bedroom, he just didn't know exactly what had been said and by whom. Sam TOLD Dave what he said in the DR. Dave told Josie he would never let Sam date his daughter, yet told Sam he would be fine with it. Abuse? None to find

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by rhino

I think we will agree to differ on this because I dont see any 'abuse'. If John James behaves like a 'pr*ck', Sam calls him a pr*ck', thats not abuse, If he 'digs' at Dave its because Dave constantly digs at him and tries to provoke a situation where Sam will be in conflict. When he said he didn't trust Dave was he wrong? No every opportunity Dave has had when Sam is not in the room, he has used to bitch about him. Sam knew they were talking about him when he walked in the bedroom, he just didn't know exactly what had been said and by whom. Sam TOLD Dave what he said in the DR. Dave told Josie he would never let Sam date his daughter, yet told Sam he would be fine with it. Abuse? None to find

The first week Sam went in and flew insults at everyone, long before they started retaliating.
And Josie has hardly retaliated but has had the most abuse from him.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Sunday

The first week Sam went in and flew insults at everyone, long before they started retaliating.
And Josie has hardly retaliated but has had the most abuse from him.

He went in and questioned motives and give them (especially the favourites) the opportunity to prove they were genuine. The JJJ 'fromance' has always raised huge doubt. He raised questions about various HM's in a very direct way to give them the opportunity to explain or defend. These questions are all ones that are discussed constantly on these forums, therfore presumably are ones we ourselves would ask, given the opportunity to go into the house. Some HM's handled it well, some did not. That reveals more about them, than it does Sam. Therefore he has achieved what he wanted to. It also explains why he doesn't understand when he discovers other HM's genuinly dont like him - because for him its not personal - no abuse - only a mission he sees himself as having - to discover the truth

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by rhino

He went in and questioned motives and give them (especially the favourites) the opportunity to prove they were genuine. The JJJ 'fromance' has always raised huge doubt. He raised questions about various HM's in a very direct way to give them the opportunity to explain or defend. These questions are all ones that are discussed constantly on these forums, therfore presumably are ones we ourselves would ask, given the opportunity to go into the house. Some HM's handled it well, some did not. That reveals more about them, than it does Sam. Therefore he has achieved what he wanted to. It also explains why he doesn't understand when he discovers other HM's genuinly dont like him - because for him its not personal - no abuse - only a mission he sees himself as having - to discover the truth

I agree he got some answers we all wanted to know and he did a good job.
Most people wanted to know about John James and Josie thats why he targeted her and him.

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by rhino

He went in and questioned motives and give them (especially the favourites) the opportunity to prove they were genuine. The JJJ 'fromance' has always raised huge doubt. He raised questions about various HM's in a very direct way to give them the opportunity to explain or defend. These questions are all ones that are discussed constantly on these forums, therfore presumably are ones we ourselves would ask, given the opportunity to go into the house. Some HM's handled it well, some did not. That reveals more about them, than it does Sam. Therefore he has achieved what he wanted to. It also explains why he doesn't understand when he discovers other HM's genuinly dont like him - because for him its not personal - no abuse - only a mission he sees himself as having - to discover the truth

Or to tell him to mind his own business, which is what I would have said.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Sunday

Or to tell him to mind his own business, which is what I would have said.

As Sam said to Josie "It's Britain's business" - they are on a reality tv game show and the public should be well informed as to what exactly it is they are voting for, and not be deceived into believing they are voting for two sly, manipulative individuals who are only intent on convincing people their crapmance is genuine to make it to the final and all the lucrative mag deals.

I recall JJ1 saying to Sam it was like having one of the viewers in the house asking the questions everyone wanted the answers to. It is no coincidence that since Sam's arrival and his searching questions, support for the gruesome twosome has diminished to the extent that JJ1 is languishing far beneath Sam in the odds to win. If Josie were up for eviction this week, I would be voting her out and I daresay loads of other people would too. But at least we can kick JJ1 out.

[flamingGalah!]

John James really is an arrogant *******!! I bet he thinks he has it "in the bag"... He thinks because he has survived evictions when he knows his behaviour was disgucting, that he can do no wrong... He is an expert on teenage girls after all...

EVICT THE TW*T!!!!

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by angus58

As Sam said to Josie "It's Britain's business" - they are on a reality tv game show and the public should be well informed as to what exactly it is they are voting for, and not be deceived into believing they are voting for two sly, manipulative individuals who are only intent on convincing people their crapmance is genuine to make it to the final and all the lucrative mag deals.

I recall JJ1 saying to Sam it was like having one of the viewers in the house asking the questions everyone wanted the answers to. It is no coincidence that since Sam's arrival and his searching questions, support for the gruesome twosome has diminished to the extent that JJ1 is languishing far beneath Sam in the odds to win. If Josie were up for eviction this week, I would be voting her out and I daresay loads of other people would too. But at least we can kick JJ1 out.

But its entirely their business to what they want Britain, Sam etc to know, they dont have to tell him anything.
It might be all fake but then again it might not be and at the end of the day, they all want deals out of this, including precious Sam.
Thats why they go on it, for fame, money deals etc.

[crocs]

Originally Posted by Sunday

And Josie has hardly retaliated but has had the most abuse from him.

Josie doesn't even need to retaliate. She has the whole house behind her, doing it for her, so she doesn't need to get her hands dirty. Sam hasn't got anyone. When that boy turns his back, there's bitching going on all around him - except to his face really.

[BBLB]

Originally Posted by crocs

Josie doesn't even need to retaliate. She has the whole house behind her, doing it for her, so she doesn't need to get her hands dirty. Sam hasn't got anyone. When that boy turns his back, there's bitching going on all around him - except to his face really.

* gets the violin out *

poor hard done by sam,he is having such a hard time not knowing what to do with all that info he gained from watching the show and reading forums for 3/4 of the series.
Poor boy who only called Josie disgusting names and hassled her for a week because hes so misunderstood,little Sam who wouldnt do anything to hurt anyone even though he is taking Corins personal belongings so she will get angry enough to ruin her chances of winning.
Yes Sam is the outsider,as he pointed out the underdog gets the support,the poor kid who paints himself victim when he needs to despite being the instigator of the trouble in the house.

Poor poor boy...Actually no,Sam is a t*sser who is doing anything he can to stay in the game regardless of how others feel.
Sam the puppet of the producers .

Its interesting how when people want to make him look like a victim they use the word boy instead of man.

( just an alternative opinion on the sam is a victim viewpoint )

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by crocs

Josie doesn't even need to retaliate. She has the whole house behind her, doing it for her, so she doesn't need to get her hands dirty. Sam hasn't got anyone. When that boy turns his back, there's bitching going on all around him - except to his face really.

And when they said it to his face................ he cried!!

He should not give it if he cant take it!