[housemate]

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by housemate

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

Well said ,i have been trying to think of the other charlatans name all day ,he had blood on his hands and when the brown sticky stuff hit the whirly thing he killed dozens to cover up his wrong-doings ,sheer evil,IF Dave and his mob wanted to be "Born again Christians"as the claim they are (looks better on the CV than "cult leader") why not just nip along to any PROPER church on a Sunday morning where i am sure they would be made welcome

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

100% right on your first point, 50% right on your second point, 0% right on your third!

As despicable as his "con man" behavior is, claiming to heal amputees etc, pretending like this is uncommon in Christian circles is willfully naive.

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

..Koresh and Jones were defended in much the same way, using much the same arguments in their day.
Hysterical Old Woman? ... I'm younger than Dave and most definatly not hysterical. My 'agenda' is keeping my fingers crossed for Sam ... as explained to you earlier, I have a lot of money on Dave staying in this Friday ... my new Camera, bought from winnings will compensate me handsomly for the dissapointment ... if I lose my stake I consider it a fair price for the satisfaction.