[Niall]

Originally Posted by angus58

That's a rather naive response to a clearly documented, factual event, yet you choose to diminish its impact and importance - no wonder this country is in the ****! Give these fanatics an inch, and they take a mile. We are always hearing about how muslims are "offended" by our culture, our way of life, our traditions etc, and we bend over backwards to avoid offence. Yet these disrespectful, ignorant people think its fine to disrupt remembrance day to make political brownie points. So your argument that "the media is just blowing everything out of proportion" doesn't fly - it happened, it was obscene, obnoxious and inflammatory - there was no excuse for it and no place in our society for hate filled mobs, of any religion, political persuasion or ethnicity, inciting violence against anyone.

If Muslims don't want to all be tarred with the same brush, it's about time that they were more proactive and vocal about condemning these people, otherwise the rest of the population are entitled to draw their own conclusions about a section of society that appears to think it is above the law, abusing our tolerance and exploiting freedom of speech to cause offence, and incite VIOLENCE against our troops, and in a broader context, our very way of life. If these Muslims are British born, there is even more concern for alarm, since they have grown up here, been educated here and lived amongst us, yet are demonstrating their HATRED about our way of life, culture and traditions without one ounce of consideration or respect for our sensibilities and beliefs.

Respect, tolerance and consideration is a TWO WAY STREET, it's about time Muslims in this country accepted that. They are quick to DEMAND respect for their religion and culture, but they do very little to EARN it.

Just stop for a second.

First of all, you are grouping together a massive section of people. I don't think you are realizing it isn't all Muslims who feel this way. Go out to a Mosque and ask a Muslim there and I'm pretty damn sure they will condemn this lot who burnt the poppy too.

Secondly, like Christianity, there are several different denominations of Islam. You can't just say that because a governing body or Islam didn't come out and speak out against this, they are condoning what has happened. Its like if for example, the Church of England did something wrong and you're waiting for the Pope to apologise.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect is also a two way street which I'm afraid YOU are walking on. Why don't you take some time to research something before you label it all sorts of horrible names.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Me!

Just stop for a second.

First of all, you are grouping together a massive section of people. I don't think you are realizing it isn't all Muslims who feel this way. Go out to a Mosque and ask a Muslim there and I'm pretty damn sure they will condemn this lot who burnt the poppy too.

Secondly, like Christianity, there are several different denominations of Islam. You can't just say that because a governing body or Islam didn't come out and speak out against this, they are condoning what has happened. Its like if for example, the Church of England did something wrong and you're waiting for the Pope to apologise.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect is also a two way street which I'm afraid YOU are walking on. Why don't you take some time to research something before you label it all sorts of horrible names.

Try reading my post more carefully before accusing others of ignorance. I am fully aware that there are thousands upon thousands of peaceful lawabiding muslims in this country, but unfortunately, there are thousands upon thousands of ignoramuses who don't know that and will just lump ALL muslims together. Therefore it is incumbent on the law abiding muslims amongst us to take some responsibility for this misapprehension and distance themselves from extremists by condemning them publicly.

Secondly, don't even bother attempting to lecture me about christianiity - go patronise someone else who gives a damn about your ridiculous analogies.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect might well be a two way street, but until you see me doing anything remotely disrespectful against Islam I suggest you keep your ridiculous assumptions to yourself. You are the very sort of politically correct idiot who has allowed this kind of inflammatory behaviour to flourish in this country unchallenged. As to calling the muslim extremists "horrible names", I thought they were more than apposite in view of the nature of their offensive behaviour.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by angus58

Try reading my post more carefully before accusing others of ignorance. I am fully aware that there are thousands upon thousands of peaceful lawabiding muslims in this country, but unfortunately, there are thousands upon thousands of ignoramuses who don't know that and will just lump ALL muslims together. Therefore it is incumbent on the law abiding muslims amongst us to take some responsibility for this misapprehension and distance themselves from extremists by condemning them publicly.

Secondly, don't even bother attempting to lecture me about christianiity - go patronise someone else who gives a damn about your ridiculous analogies.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect might well be a two way street, but until you see me doing anything remotely disrespectful against Islam I suggest you keep your ridiculous assumptions to yourself. You are the very sort of politically correct idiot who has allowed this kind of inflammatory behaviour to flourish in this country unchallenged. As to calling the muslim extremists "horrible names", I thought they were more than apposite in view of the nature of their offensive behaviour.

Okay so I'm gonna go ahead and assume your a Christian (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm Catholic, do you expect me to go and give the Pope or any of those child-molesting Priests a piece of my mind about what has been going on behind closed doors? I hope not, because its a ridiculous thing to expect.

I actually know plenty of Muslims to know that the majority of them are decent, hard working people like anyone else. I just can't stand it when people start having kittens because an extremely small group like this who claim to be Muslim go and do something extremely controversial. In fact the majority of Muslim's wouldn't even consider this lot Muslim for the simple fact their views do not match those upheld in the Qur'an. I think its extremely unfair for a minority of people to get the blame for something like this.

And don't you dare call me politically correct. Just because I think its derogatory for someone to call a person from Pakistan for example a 'pak!' doesn't make me politically correct. I only am this way because of the way my father and brother refer to Islam - I've grown up in a very politically incorrect family, hell my brother even votes BNP. I can't stand it when anybody dislikes a certain group of people because of their religion etc, and I've had plenty of arguments about this stuff before.

And by horrible names I meant you saying (or what it looked like to me what you were saying) is saying that they incite violence and hatred.

Also I do believe they should be punished. I'm just trying to defend something because the way people have been talking about this as of late makes me think people really are a lot more ignorant then I thought.

Lastly, no hard feelings right?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Me!

Just stop for a second.

First of all, you are grouping together a massive section of people. I don't think you are realizing it isn't all Muslims who feel this way. Go out to a Mosque and ask a Muslim there and I'm pretty damn sure they will condemn this lot who burnt the poppy too.

Secondly, like Christianity, there are several different denominations of Islam. You can't just say that because a governing body or Islam didn't come out and speak out against this, they are condoning what has happened. Its like if for example, the Church of England did something wrong and you're waiting for the Pope to apologise.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect is also a two way street which I'm afraid YOU are walking on. Why don't you take some time to research something before you label it all sorts of horrible names.

What sorts of names do you suggest are given to Muslim Extremists, who chose to remain living in the very country that they are protesting about, who have so little respect for the men and women who are out risking their lives so that people in Britain can have rights of freedom? That they act in such a manner, publically and in the most disrespectful manner to the people that they in fact, owe their right to even appearing in public in this way - far less their despicable actions?

What label would you suggest we give, to the people spotlighted in this story (I'm not speaking of Muslims, I'm speaking of the Extremists - and people such as these mentally deranged asswipes - which are apparent in all race/creed/religion/). shall we refer to them as 'poor misguided little wee souls'???

Puhhllllleaase.