[Angus]

Originally posted by mrscolumbo

"Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house."

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

If the BF was still in the area so late that evening, that doesn't let him off the hook either.
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[Angus]

Originally posted by Pyramid

"Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house."

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

Hello this is not my posting![/QUOTE]

Lol, sorry, have amended the quote now.

[mrscolumbo]

angus58 - thank you for the amendment - already deleted my reply as it looked confusing

[mrscolumbo]

If this is an opportunist crime then forensic evidence would be in plentyful outside/inside the apartment as a struggle would be evident surely - which makes it pre meditated or a crime of passion - especially as the police consider no person to be at risk whilst the culprit remains at large.

[mrscolumbo]

Pre meditated or crime of passion rules a stranger out - just to clarify my last post.

[mrscolumbo]

Pyramid - didn't express there was a struggle in this case - but if it was someone lying in wait or just passing by and took the poortunity to pounce on Joanna as she put out the rubbish then a struggle would ensue leaving in its wake forensic evidence - my point was that lack of forensic evidence to suggest a stranger give raise to a motive of someone nearer home.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Pyramid - didn't express there was a struggle in this case - but if it was someone lying in wait or just passing by and took the poortunity to pounce on Joanna as she put out the rubbish then a struggle would ensue leaving in its wake forensic evidence - my point was that lack of forensic evidence to suggest a stranger give raise to a motive of someone nearer home.

You appeared to dismiss the 'opportunist' angle, by way of your reasoning in respect of 'forensic evidence', 'struggle would be evident': which is why I asked what I did - and then you add your thoughts, "Which makes it pre-meditated or a crime of passion".

Which again, is why I asked what I did.

Out of interest, what would your replies to my other questions be?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

If this is an opportunist crime then forensic evidence would be in plentyful outside/inside the apartment as a struggle would be evident surely - which makes it pre meditated or a crime of passion - especially as the police consider no person to be at risk whilst the culprit remains at large.

How do you know there was a struggle?

What would make any struggle 'evident' as you claim?

What 'makes' it pre-meditated?

What 'makes' it a crime of passion?

How do you know there would be plentyful forensic evidence outside?

What type of forensic evidence would you expect to be found given weather conditions, given that it was days later she was reported as missing? In an area that many would have access to - ie: friends, family, postman, ad hoc people delivering flyers etc, landlord, other neighbours, random prowlers?

Additionally, given that it appears to be at the current time, a 'one of' murder: the police are hardly going to create massive panic by saying, "There's a psychopathic killer on the loose, watch your every move".

I'm sorry, but given that you were offering up 'read on a blog about bf's car needing jumpstarted at 1900hrs' and then saying you weren't upto date : I find it a little odd in the extreme that you would be aware of so little of the story, but are able to offer up what you have in your post above.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

If the BF was still in the area so late that evening, that doesn't let him off the hook either.
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LOL at the posts all going skew-wiff!! Nothing like confusion eh!

I understand you saying you would lock door given that you live on a 3rd floor, however Joanna and Greg lived in a basement flat - which isn't quite the same as living in 'higher' flats (if that makes any sense) - ground level is easily and conveniently reached - within a short distance of door. It was on that basis that I made my comments: in that the bins would not have been any real distance away - not enough to warrant taking keys, locking door etc.

ETA: Presumably Greg has a watertight alibi (receipts for filling stations etc) - but I have to say, I've 'voiced' my own thoughts on the convenience of him being away many posts ago........ but as I say, not much point as I would imagine family and partners would be the very first people to be considered, investigated and subsequently eliminated (rightly or wrong..... it's still very open).