[Sarah.]

He's been charged..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12257299

[Pyramid*]

Interesting .......


Here's a snippet from this morning's DM

The mother of Vincent Tabak broke her silence last night to back her son – insisting he was acting ‘normally’ in the week following Joanna Yeates’s death.

Mr Tabak left Bristol for a family holiday in Holland two days after Miss Yeates was reported missing.
He was only arrested last week after his return to the UK.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1BoZdmKPF

[arista]

"He's been charged."
Yes Sarah.





Yes 32 year old Tabak is now charged with her Murder
Evil man he is.
In Court tomorrow Monday.



25 year old Joanna Yeates
was not safe in those flats.

[Kerry]

Luckily, these days, you can't get away with murder. Not for long. It'll always catch up with you. Wether you're 18 or 80. One day.....

[Novo]

Good old CJ, we all knew he was Innocent

[arista]

"Good old CJ, we all knew he was Innocent "




Yes the papers did a Number on him.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Novo

Good old CJ, we all knew he was Innocent

I'd say most of us on here had that gut feeling, that CJ was innocent.

There were some on here who had themselves convinced that CJ was guilty. I'm pleased that it appears to not be the case. I'd hate for some of these people to ever have to enter a court room as a jury member - so quick to point fingers and castigate an innocent man.

As for the parasites (prevous tenants and such like) in the background, coming forward to slate a senior citizen with their slanderous comments, and character assasinations - I bet they don't feel a shred of remorse in doing so - happy in the interim to tend to sharpening their pitchforks whilst waiting for the next time they can mouth off without substance.

Wonder how long it will take police to remove his bail / conditions? I hope he takes the bloody media for huge sums, I really do.

As for VT - after the CJ palava - I'm pretty sure that the police will have ensured their reasons to charge him would be watertight to ensure conviction. Time will tell.

[marney]

We have not got all the details of what went on seems a bit too cut and dry. We don't know if anyone else was involved and presumably they can t release CJ from bail until Monday.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

"He's been charged."
Yes Sarah.





Yes 32 year old Tabak is now charged with her Murder
Evil man he is.
In Court tomorrow Monday.



25 year old Joanna Yeates
was not safe in those flats.

This goes back to my original point. Look how good she looks there, theres been loads of different photos. If she was fat and ugly and older it would not get this attention


But it's good they've found someone to give the family closure.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

You are right there are some very defensive posts on here concerning all of the suspects. If you read back you will see. I wonder why.

"All of the suspects" Which 'all suspects' do you refer to?

No need for you to wonder Marney - the reason is simple. Not all of us were prepared to label an eccentric older man as being the killer - there is this bizarre but well known phrase, let me introduce you to it: "Innocent until proven guilty".

Even as far as VT is concerned, he has been charged - charges can be dropped, and he still has to be found guilty - if the police have the evidence to prove this beyond reasonable doubt.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

We have not got all the details of what went on seems a bit too cut and dry. We don't know if anyone else was involved and presumably they can t release CJ from bail until Monday.

You presume wrong Marney. CJ could remain under bail conditions until the VT court trial is underway - there have been previous murder cases where person A was arrested, released under bail - person B then arrested, charged, and not until the trial of person B was underway that person A was actually freed from bail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6729723.stm

more info on wiki about that case.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'd say most of us on here had that gut feeling, that CJ was innocent.

There were some on here who had themselves convinced that CJ was guilty. I'm pleased that it appears to not be the case. I'd hate for some of these people to ever have to enter a court room as a jury member - so quick to point fingers and castigate an innocent man.

As for the parasites (prevous tenants and such like) in the background, coming forward to slate a senior citizen with their slanderous comments, and character assasinations - I bet they don't feel a shred of remorse in doing so - happy in the interim to tend to sharpening their pitchforks whilst waiting for the next time they can mouth off without substance.

Wonder how long it will take police to remove his bail / conditions? I hope he takes the bloody media for huge sums, I really do.

As for VT - after the CJ palava - I'm pretty sure that the police will have ensured their reasons to charge him would be watertight to ensure conviction. Time will tell.

When these people are questioned by the police do you expect them to lie about what they know about CJ. They have told the truth as far as they know it. Obsessed with death lets himself in and out of the flats etc , etc . I think you should put the blame on the media for putting it out there in the first place if you want to blame someone, not the residents or those who know him for stating the facts.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

This goes back to my original point. Look how good she looks there, theres been loads of different photos. If she was fat and ugly and older it would not get this attention


But it's good they've found someone to give the family closure.

I'm still going with the angle that it was because of the time of year and in how much the parents went public on it.....and then with it going from a missing person enquiry to a murder hunt seeking the killer. That together with the previous unsolved case in the area over 30 odd years ago - I think all of those factors helped gain it coverage.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

When these people are questioned by the police do you expect them to lie about what they know about CJ. They have told the truth as far as they know it. Obsessed with death lets himself in and out of the flats etc , etc . I think you should put the blame on the media for putting it out there in the first place if you want to blame someone, not the residents or those who know him for stating the facts.

I expect people - like you - to be less obsessed with trying to label the landlord the killer, based on very scant and very twisted information, and information badly reported & portrayed by the media.

I expect people like the former tenants to keep their gobby mouths shut with their incriminating comments, until facts are given, rather than them wanting their 5 mintues of "Oooh.... I knew him " fame and wanting to stick the boot iin.

I love gory movies, the gorier the better (ie: Hostel, Saw ....that kind of stuff, all involving death, and painful terrifying ones). : I also used to have a key to the house I now live in,when I rented it out, and was able to check it whenever I liked - as was in the contract of lease. that must make me a killer then huh!

The one thing wrong with our Jury System is that people like you are allowed to sit on them - dishing out guilty votes/verdict based on what you read in trashy tabloids.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm still going with the angle that it was because of the time of year and in how much the parents went public on it.....and then with it going from a missing person enquiry to a murder hunt seeking the killer. That together with the previous unsolved case in the area over 30 odd years ago - I think all of those factors helped gain it coverage.

I disagree with the time of year argument, I read an article last week about how three other people went missing the very same week - and are still missing - but have recieved no publicity

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I disagree with the time of year argument, I read an article last week about how three other people went missing the very same week - and are still missing - but have recieved no publicity

Still missing, but not found dead - I think that may have had much to do with the continued reporting - and as I mentioned, the previous unsolved murder in the area 30years ago etc.

Aslo - have these missing persons families pushed for media coverage - have they had any (I'm asking you something that you wouldn't perhaps be expected to know...sorry!!!)

The other thing that may have something to do with it is 'social class' (which I guess touches a little on InOne's original thoughts on Joanna 'having a good job') - that could be a factor, I agree.

Not being part of the media, like yourselves, I'm only open to my own thoughts. You may both be right.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Still missing, but not found dead - I think that may have had much to do with the continued reporting - and as I mentioned, the previous unsolved murder in the area 30years ago etc.

Aslo - have these missing persons families pushed for media coverage - have they had any (I'm asking you something that you wouldn't perhaps be expected to know...sorry!!!)

The other thing that may have something to do with it is 'social class' (which I guess touches a little on InOne's original thoughts on Joanna 'having a good job') - that could be a factor, I agree.

Not being part of the media, like yourselves, I'm only open to my own thoughts. You may both be right.

But this case still recieved a lot of publicity before she was found dead. In the case of one of the people who went missing, it had been the sixth time since July so that would have played a part.

I'm unsure if any family pushed for media coverage, they may well not have done, I'm not really in a position to say

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But this case still recieved a lot of publicity before she was found dead. In the case of one of the people who went missing, it had been the sixth time since July so that would have played a part.

I'm unsure if any family pushed for media coverage, they may well not have done, I'm not really in a position to say

I think Joanna's family's willingness to make public appeals when she was missing -at that time of year - put it in the spotlight intially. Given that it was just a week between her officially being reported missing and her body found: the case took a whole new twist - on hunting for a killer - especially when there appeared to be no real motive. Additionally, there was the comparison to a similar type unsolved murder from years ago.

the circumstances - with Greg the boyfriend being away that very weekend Joanna disappeared, her not joining him to 'wave him off goodbye' knowing he'd be driving in fairly bad / snowy driving conitions, him texting / her not replying / Joanna saying she was looking forward to weekend on her own then texting a male friend an hour or so after Greg left Bristol inviting them for a drink, both the father and boyfriend referring to Joanna in the past tense before her body had been found etc ..... there were a lot of elements to the situation which could have spun it in various ways.

Guess what I'm saying is that there were a lot of behaviours in the whole scenario (which could - 'could' - be construed as 'odd/strange/not quite right' - that gave it a far more (gruesomely) interesting angle to it - adding to the heightened intrest in the case. Rather than (for example) - some girl being randomly knifed to death in a shopping centre.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I expect people - like you - to be less obsessed with trying to label the landlord the killer, based on very scant and very twisted information, and information badly reported & portrayed by the media.

I expect people like the former tenants to keep their gobby mouths shut with their incriminating comments, until facts are given, rather than them wanting their 5 mintues of "Oooh.... I knew him " fame and wanting to stick the boot iin.

I love gory movies, the gorier the better (ie: Hostel, Saw ....that kind of stuff, all involving death, and painful terrifying ones). : I also used to have a key to the house I now live in,when I rented it out, and was able to check it whenever I liked - as was in the contract of lease. that must make me a killer then huh!

The one thing wrong with our Jury System is that people like you are allowed to sit on them - dishing out guilty votes/verdict based on what you read in trashy tabloids.

I have already said there is on law for some and another for the masses and you have proved it.You can call label them Gobby but they should not be able to tell the truth as they see it and give their opinion on Jefferies, as being obsessed with death, strange, lets himself into other peoples flats etc.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

I have already said there is on law for some and another for the masses and you have proved it.You can call label them Gobby but they should not be able to tell the truth as they see it and give their opinion on Jefferies, as being obsessed with death, strange, lets himself into other peoples flats etc.

I hate to be the one to break the news to you Marney: but a person's opinion (which is what the gobby lot offered, and it's my opinion that they gobbed off) is precisely that - an OPINION.

An opinion is not a fact. Deary me, it's astounding that you seem unable to distinguish between the two.

The only thing you have proven is that there are people who are willing to take the opinion of others - and turn it into fact.

Many people are fascinated by death, many people are strange, many people have keys to other's homes (did CJ ever let himself into Joanna and Greg's flat!) - none of those things maketh a person a killer. To clarify: this last sentence is a fact - not an opinion.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I hate to be the one to break the news to you Marney: but a person's opinion (which is what the gobby lot offered, and it's my opinion that they gobbed off) is precisely that - an OPINION.

An opinion is not a fact. Deary me, it's astounding that you seem unable to distinguish between the two.

The only thing you have proven is that there are people who are willing to take the opinion of others - and turn it into fact.

Many people are fascinated by death, many people are strange, many people have keys to other's homes (did CJ ever let himself into Joanna and Greg's flat!) - none of those things maketh a person a killer. To clarify: this last sentence is a fact - not an opinion.

Yes they may be opinions but was he detained on these opinions, I doubt it. So you are still no better by calling these people Gobby, I hope they SUE AS YOU KEEP HINTING JEFFERIES SHOULD.

Morbid interest in death I wouldn't trust anyone like that even if he was not actually the killer JUST MY OPINION THOUGH.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Yes they may be opinions but was he detained on these opinions, I doubt it. So you are still no better by calling these people Gobby, I hope they SUE AS YOU KEEP HINTING JEFFERIES SHOULD.

Morbid interest in death I wouldn't trust anyone like that even if he was not actually the killer JUST MY OPINION THOUGH.

Gob$hites I'd really call them. To be precise.

You hope they sue me!!!

... that's fricking hilarious!!! Yeah - sue me for having an opinion on them mouthing off to the press!!

Difference is Marney: my opinion isn't casting doubt on their killing intentions or offering enough opinion to give rise to public speculation by people (like you, who read far too much into other people's opinions) - for me to form the view that an innocent man could therefore be a killer. Do you see what I'm getting at here? My opinion isn't likely to damage them in any way shape or form. They gave opinions at a crucial point where their words may have been damaging to CJ. I gave my view on their opinions and of the damage their opinions had.

Oh and seeing as you're still unable absorb precisely what I have said over and over again: I don't hint that CJ should sue the media - no hinting from me, I'm absolutely behind him if he and his legal team should wish to do so. 100%. That's 100% back up from me.

I'd far prefer to trust a person who had interest in death and dying, that trust a person who was willing to find an innocent man guilty when they had no real reason to do so - other than gossip that they read in low rate tabloids.

[Mifletz]

What exactly is the legal definition in the UK of "Wrongful Arrest"? Is it actionable?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mifletz

What exactly is the legal definition in the UK of "Wrongful Arrest"? Is it actionable?

yes, it can be actionable.

I put up a link a few pages back (cba looking for it now - sorry....), but yes is the answer.

[marney]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Gob$hites I'd really call them. To be precise.

You hope they sue me!!!

... that's fricking hilarious!!! Yeah - sue me for having an opinion on them mouthing off to the press!!

Difference is Marney: my opinion isn't casting doubt on their killing intentions or offering enough opinion to give rise to public speculation by people (like you, who read far too much into other people's opinions) - for me to form the view that an innocent man could therefore be a killer. Do you see what I'm getting at here? My opinion isn't likely to damage them in any way shape or form. They gave opinions at a crucial point where their words may have been damaging to CJ. I gave my view on their opinions and of the damage their opinions had.

Oh and seeing as you're still unable absorb precisely what I have said over and over again: I don't hint that CJ should sue the media - no hinting from me, I'm absolutely behind him if he and his legal team should wish to do so. 100%. That's 100% back up from me.

I'd far prefer to trust a person who had interest in death and dying, that trust a person who was willing to find an innocent man guilty when they had no real reason to do so - other than gossip that they read in low rate tabloids.

What's Happened To The Landlord?

Martin Brunt January 23, 2011 10:32 AM

Now the police say they've got their man, Vincent Tabak, for the Jo Yeates murder, there is one big question.

What about her landlord Chris Jefferies, the first suspect who fiercely denied any guilt?

He might have thought he would be eliminated now.

The police told me: "In the light of this latest development we are now considering the impact of this on other aspects of the investigation."

So, officially, he's still a suspect and still on bail.

Last heard of, his lawyers were sifting through media reports of his arrest and exploring legal action for defamation against various outlets.

The rather eccentric former public school master seemed to be gearing up for a major assault on journalists.

So, what's going on?

Oh, and another question.

Why didn't police arrest Mr. Tabak earlier?

Living next door to the victim he must have been a major 'person of interest' to the murder squad.

The golden rule for detectives on any investigation is to "clear the ground under your feet."

The policy is to TIE - trace, interview and eliminate - all those emotionally and physically close to the victim.

Mr. Tabak couldn't really have been any closer, physically. A few feet most of the time.