[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Chewy

To compare the Queen to utter scum like the Kardashians and Paris Hilton is just stupid, unless I missed that TV show where the Queen went around shouting in a loud annoying accent about pointless ****

Wasn't there some reality show where the royals competed in sporting events? i forget what it was called. It definitely happened though.

And plenty of people would say that the royals have annoying accents.

[Angus]

WTF! Why is our Queen hosting a state visit of the Obamas in May as if THEY are royalty? Let them go stay at the Hilton or Travelodge for all I care, the Brit hating, Democrat scumbags or, at the very least, pay the going rate at Buck House. Good to know they haven't been invited to the Royal Wedding at least - that would have been a travesty.

[lostalex]

Can you imagine the fuel that would give republicans if the Obama's went to the royal wedding?


The Republicans would claim he's taking a vacation on the taxpayers dime to prop up undemocratic despots.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Wasn't there some reality show where the royals competed in sporting events? i forget what it was called. It definitely happened though.

And plenty of people would say that the royals have annoying accents.

The Grand Knockout.

Hardly a reality TV show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gra...out_Tournament

Originally Posted by lostalex

Can you imagine the fuel that would give republicans if the Obama's went to the royal wedding?


The Republicans would claim he's taking a vacation on the taxpayers dime to prop up undemocratic despots.

The same undemocratic despots that Reagan would have been propping up in 1981, if he hadnt been recovering from lead poisoning.

[lostalex]

Reagan did love Britain. No doubt about that.

I'm not a Reagan fan.

But i suppose your point is that the Republicans would be hypocrites to attack Obama over it. That's never stopped them before though.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Reagan did love Britain. No doubt about that.

I'm not a Reagan fan.

But i suppose your point is that the Republicans would be hypocrites to attack Obama over it. That's never stopped them before though.

Yeah an American trait I suppose.

Never mind though we still love our little colonial offspring.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah an American trait I suppose.

Never mind though we still love our little colonial offspring.

You do realize that the majority of US states have no historical connection to the UK right? 13 states were british colonies.

13 out of 50.
(14 if you count hawaii, but it was a very different colonial experience in hawaii than the 13 originals)

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You do realize that the majority of US states have no historical connection to the UK right? 13 states were british colonies.

13 out of 50.
(14 if you count hawaii, but it was a very different colonial experience in hawaii than the 13 originals)

An interesting perspective, incidentally, remind me how many states were there at the time of the American Revolution?

You do realise if it wasnt for the UK and France there would be no United States?

I love the fact if it wasnt for French assistance your Revolution would have been little more than an unruly uprising and quashed. That must really hurt your pride.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

An interesting perspective, incidentally, remind me how many states were there at the time of the American Revolution?

You do realise if it wasnt for the UK and France there would be no United States?

I love the fact if it wasnt for French assistance your Revolution would have been little more than an unruly uprising and quashed. That must really hurt your pride.

and You do realize if it weren't for American intervention, you'd be a former soviet republic right now.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Shasown

An interesting perspective, incidentally, remind me how many states were there at the time of the American Revolution?

You do realise if it wasnt for the UK and France there would be no United States?

I love the fact if it wasnt for French assistance your Revolution would have been little more than an unruly uprising and quashed. That must really hurt your pride.

Not really. I've studied the Revolution and saying America couldn't have done it without France (while true) is kind of like saying Frodo couldn't have destroyed The Ring of Power without Gollum. France wanted America to be independent but they also wanted to screw America by making it weak, decentralized, and (most importantly) dependent on France. But neither France nor the UK got what they wanted. The Revolution is really a classic example of a group of amateurs outsmarting the two superpowers of the day. I take pride in that.

[lostalex]

You could just as easily say that Without the American revolution, there would not have been the French revolution.

France and America liberated each other.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and You do realize if it weren't for American intervention, you'd be a former soviet republic right now.

Oh do be serious.

Without a combined invasion to form the Western front during World War II its highly likely the Soviet offensives would have lost momentum and eventually ground to a halt. Forcing a stalemate.

That would have left the UK safely buffered from the Soviets by the Axis.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and You do realize if it weren't for American intervention, you'd be a former soviet republic right now.

Let's not get into this kind of argument. It's childish. Besides, the Brit James Bond saved the US countless times from the Soviets so we owe a debt to them.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Let's not get into this kind of argument. It's childish. Besides, the Brit James Bond saved the US countless times from the Soviets so we owe a debt to them.

Not just Smersh but Spectre as well.

And dont you forget it.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You could just as easily say that Without the American revolution, there would not have been the French revolution.

France and America liberated each other.

The difference between the French and American Revolutions is the guy who led the American one walked away from power while the guy who led the French one made himself dictator. The American one was about liberty but the French one ended up being just a mess.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The difference between the French and American Revolutions is the guy who led the American one walked away from power while the guy who led the French one made himself dictator. The American one was about liberty but the French one ended up being just a mess.

details, details... lol :P

We both over turned tyranny in the late 18th century though. And those revolutions have been the inspiration for every democratic uprising since.

[BB_Eye]

Because it helps our economy by boosting sales of the Daily Express.

[lostalex]

Harry > William imho.

much more bang for your buck.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

details, details... lol :P

We both over turned tyranny in the late 18th century though. And those revolutions have been the inspiration for every democratic uprising since.

Every democratic uprising since? That might be stretching it especially since the US has in recent decades has helped dictators squash democratic uprisings (Egypt, anyone?). And anyways, the government we have today in 2011 is much, much more tyrannical and hostile to liberty than the British one the founders fought against in 1776 which kind of defeats the purpose of the Revolution.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Every democratic uprising since? That might be stretching it especially since the US has in recent decades has helped dictators squash democratic uprisings (Egypt, anyone?). And anyways, the government we have today in 2011 is much, much more tyrannical and hostile to liberty than the British one the founders fought against in 1776 which kind of defeats the purpose of the Revolution.

i'm sorry but yur wrong. The US is supporting diplomatic programs all over the world, including in dictatorships, supporting the people and their dissenting voices. There is plenty of evidence of the US supporting dissidents in not only Egypt but all over the arab world.

Yes we have to deal with those dictatorships while they have power, but we are always supporting democracy behind the scenes as well.

It's not black and white. And i think you know that. don't play dumb with me.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i'm sorry but yur wrong. The US is supporting diplomatic programs all over the world, including in dictatorships, supporting the people and their dissenting voices. There is plenty of evidence of the US supporting dissidents in not only Egypt but all over the arab world.
Yes we have to deal with those dictatorships while they have power, but we are always supporting democracy behind the scenes as well.

It's not black and white. And i think you know that. don't play dumb with me.

We'll give token words of support when uprisings do occur.
But when those uprisings are suppressed with American made weapons that speaks volumes. We're for democracy in Arab countries to the extent that it will give us the guy we want in power. Remember how when Bush kept blabbering on about how wonderful democratic elections in Palestine would be until Hamas won and then he shut up about it? And I expect this Egypt uprising episode will confirm my theory when the latest dictator (probably from the American funded Egyptian military) emerges to power.

[lostalex]

So yur blaming Bush for the fact that Arabs voted for a fascist islamist homophobic misogynist party?

Are you suggesting that we should support democracy over human rights? i disagree.

[lostalex]

there is no democracy without human rights.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So yur blaming Bush for the fact that Arabs voted for a fascist islamist homophobic misogynist party?

Are you suggesting that we should support democracy over human rights? i disagree.

Human rights? You really do believe this, don't you? If anything we support human rights less than democracy. I'm sure the Arabs at Guantanamo Bay and all the secret prisons we have around the world would agree with me. The last administration openly supported torture. Remember how Cheney played this disgusting word game saying that waterboarding was "enhanced interogation" and not torture? And anyways I'm sure many Arabs would argue that Hamas is for the human rights of the Palestinian people as a whole as they want to stop living under Israel's boot.

Personally I don't think we should either support democracy or dictorship around the world. I think we should stay out of other country's affairs. The Iranian people actually like us and want to emulate parts of our culture because we don't really boss them around.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Human rights? You really do believe this, don't you? If anything we support human rights less than democracy. I'm sure the Arabs at Guantanamo Bay and all the secret prisons we have around the world would agree with me. The last administration openly supported torture. Remember how Cheney played this disgusting word game saying that waterboarding was "enhanced interogation" and not torture? And anyways I'm sure many Arabs would argue that Hamas is for the human rights of the Palestinian people as a whole as they want to stop living under Israel's boot.

Personally I don't think we should either support democracy or dictorship around the world. I think we should stay out of other country's affairs. The Iranian people actually like us and want to emulate parts of our culture because we don't really boss them around.

terrorists are not humans. When you commit a felony crime you give up your rights, voluntarily.