[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Iceman

That's like when you go on about an album and overhype it without hearing it, works both ways.

But people HAVE heard it and given rave reviews, whereas people HAVEN'T seen the video, but are complaining

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Callum

Not always it doesn't. Just look at LoveGame, that had a video out before it's release and it only scraped the top 20. Born This Way has had plenty of airplay, it's on the radio a lot and I always see the video on TV. She may not have promoted it over here apart from radio interviews, but the song has been easily accessible through radio and TV. It's been hard to miss it. Some may have warmed to it but a large majority haven't, the general feeling was that it wasn't as good as her previous singles. Die hard fans love it of course but the general buying public didn't warm to it like they did Poker Face, Bad Romance, Paparazzi and Bad Romance. She's already lost a load of fans with this era alone, she'll still have a big fanbase yes, but from the sound of this Judas video, it's likely she'll lose a lot more. She's pushing the boundaries with her religious fans. Singing about loving Judas, the man who betrayed Jesus Christ, is already appalling enough but portraying the Bible in the music video and giving religion more bad publicity is a bit much even for Gaga.

She's not singing about loving the man that betrayed Jesus Christ. Only thick Christian douchebags who don't understand metaphors think that. She's just using the namesake and Christian iconography to tell a seperate story about loving another man entirely.

People who cannot deduct metaphor shouldn't be let outside their front doors, nevermind be allowed access to mainstream entertainment.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Harry!

And also there is love in the LAP music video as well.

Harry nearly every music video involves some sort of story with two lovers you cannot say she's ripping Madge off with that alone.

Jesus Christ it really irks me how Madonna fans just hate Gaga for what they assume to be her ripping off Madonna's work. Even in cases where its blatantly obvious that she's paying homage all the Madge fans are like "slghaskjhkjsdh COPYCAT! LETS KILL HER!"

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Stu

She's not singing about loving the man that betrayed Jesus Christ. Only thick Christian douchebags who don't understand metaphors think that. She's just using the namesake and Christian iconography to tell a seperate story about loving another man entirely.

People who cannot deduct metaphor shouldn't be let outside their front doors, nevermind be allowed access to mainstream entertainment.

[Stu]

The ad banner at the top of the page is shilling a Christian Request A Prayer service.

Awesome.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Stu

The ad banner at the top of the page is shilling a Christian Request A Prayer service.

Awesome.

I have online dating. At least it's not Albanian online dating this time.

[Niall]

I keep getting wedding dress ads. O_o

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Niall

Harry nearly every music video involves some sort of story with two lovers you cannot say she's ripping Madge off with that alone.

Jesus Christ it really irks me how Madonna fans just hate Gaga for what they assume to be her ripping off Madonna's work. Even in cases where its blatantly obvious that she's paying homage all the Madge fans are like "slghaskjhkjsdh COPYCAT! LETS KILL HER!"

But it is the fact that Lady Gaga openenly does it and too often which is bugging them the most. She surely has other idols that she can plagurise , why is it always Madonna? (If you say Madonna is Lady Gaga's biggest idol I will simply ignore the post - She has other idols and rarely uses them...) And it annoys me when Gaga's fans treat her like she is the next best thing when she simply isnt is so annoying. The 'Little Monster's/Mother Monster' clique makes me cringe. Not to add to the fact it is no longer the Fame Monster era of which she is still clinging onto. . It is so downgrading and dam right patronising.

[Stu]

They'd call me Johnny six hundred if they knew the truth.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Harry!

But it is the fact that Lady Gaga openenly does it and too often which is bugging them the most. She surely has other idols that she can plagurise , why is it always Madonna? (If you say Madonna is Lady Gaga's biggest idol I will simply ignore the post - She has other idols and rarely uses them...) And it annoys me when Gaga's fans treat her like she is the next best thing when she simply isnt is so annoying. The 'Little Monster's/Mother Monster' clique makes me cringe. Not to add to the fact it is no longer the Fame Monster era of which she is still clinging onto. . It is so downgrading and dam right patronising.

She does have other idols you are correct in that. She has stated that BTW has many Bruce Springsteen-ish songs and that some of them have an Iron Maiden or Kiss vibe to them. But the thing is Harry you and I both know that she has grown up with Madonna and has been heavily influenced by her. In that sense, anywhere where she appears to be 'copying' Madonna I think is actually ridiculous, she is simply paying homage imo to one of her biggest idols.

And many artists refer to their fans by the names of their albums or singles or whatever. Nicki Minaj for example calls her fans Barbies and Ken Barbies because she calls herself Harajuku Barbie. I think its gonna be here to stay so like deal with it. :|

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niall

She does have other idols you are correct in that. She has stated that BTW has many Bruce Springsteen-ish songs and that some of them have an Iron Maiden or Kiss vibe to them. But the thing is Harry you and I both know that she has grown up with Madonna and has been heavily influenced by her. In that sense, anywhere where she appears to be 'copying' Madonna I think is actually ridiculous, she is simply paying homage imo to one of her biggest idols.

And many artists refer to their fans by the names of their albums or singles or whatever. Nicki Minaj for example calls her fans Barbies and Ken Barbies because she calls herself Harajuku Barbie. I think its gonna be here to stay so like deal with it. :|

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I knew you'd notice that lmfao.

[Stu]

'Madonna' should be added to the swear filter. Or just automatically changed to 'John Malkovich' everytime it's posted or something.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Niall

She does have other idols you are correct in that. She has stated that BTW has many Bruce Springsteen-ish songs and that some of them have an Iron Maiden or Kiss vibe to them. But the thing is Harry you and I both know that she has grown up with Madonna and has been heavily influenced by her. In that sense, anywhere where she appears to be 'copying' Madonna I think is actually ridiculous, she is simply paying homage imo to one of her biggest idols.

And many artists refer to their fans by the names of their albums or singles or whatever. Nicki Minaj for example calls her fans Barbies and Ken Barbies because she calls herself Harajuku Barbie. I think its gonna be here to stay so like deal with it. :|

I hope there are many Bruce Springsteen rock infulenced songs on the album, That would be different compared to her plagurisum of Madonna and other pop artists. She could be a bit more modest when she is playing so called 'homage' to Madonna. Some of M's best work was simple and did not rely on the shock factor. Her album Ray Of Light showed that. It is quite patronising and degrading using ''fan terms''.

[Smithy]

None of her music sounds anything like Madonna's though... (Except BTW which apparently sounds like Express Yourself) so she's not plagiarizing her

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

None of her music sounds anything like Madonna's though... (Except BTW which apparently sounds like Express Yourself) so she's not plagiarizing her

Alejandro sounded like La Isla Bonita (Though Alejandro was a more of a Ace Of Base rip off). Also Teeth is a rip off of Madonna's Beast Within. There a possibly more.

[Smithy]

Teeth sounds nothing like Beast Within O___O and the only reason people say Alejandro sounds like La Isla Bonita is because they both have slightly mexican vibes to them

Anyway

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...18#post4208518

[Callum]

Originally Posted by Smithy

LoveGame....the 4th single (in the UK) from an album which had sold over a million copies, yeah Im soooo shocked it didn't get any higher.

I still don't see your point, if people haven't warmed to it why has is sold so well, it's had steady sales since it's release and it's likely the song will sell another 50/100k by the end of the year. I don't see how she's lost fans, either, just because she's released a song some people aren't too keen on doesn't mean they dislike her as an artist, it just means that they dislike a song she's released And tbh, "religious" fans should be more bothered about whats actually happening within the church, GaGa's released a new single and a belgian bishops just admitted to molesting his nephews, which do you think people are more pissed about?

And I don't see how people can complain about the video when they haven't seen it, 90% of the time rumors floating around about vidoes are wrong

Managed to go top 10 in lots of other countries though where the album sold well.

Because it's by Gaga. She can sell songs regardless of the quality, because it's a new song by Lady Gaga people will buy it. Yeah in America and other countries for sure, because it got a much better response over there. It won't sell that much in the UK though, it's already peaked and I can't see it ever going near the top 10 again unless she does promo on BGT or XF. She has lost fans, you just have to read the reviews on iTunes to realise that. I'm not on about millions here but she has lost a lot because they miss her old sound from The Fame. They loved her old stuff but not her new songs. Yes but it's hard not to notice Gaga. She's everywhere. This video is going to go viral like all of her other videos and it'll be hard to miss it. It's just a bit disrespectful to tactfully recreate the Bible in a music video and exploit it in that way.

Oh and Stu, I am aware of her intention with the song and that she's not directly referring to Judas Iscariot but a lot of Christians and Catholics don't know that. She hasn't emphasized that to the public.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Callum

Managed to go top 10 in lots of other countries though where the album sold well.

Because it's by Gaga. She can sell songs regardless of the quality, because it's a new song by Lady Gaga people will buy it. Yeah in America and other countries for sure, because it got a much better response over there. It won't sell that much in the UK though, it's already peaked and I can't see it ever going near the top 10 again unless she does promo on BGT or XF. She has lost fans, you just have to read the reviews on iTunes to realise that. I'm not on about millions here but she has lost a lot because they miss her old sound from The Fame. They loved her old stuff but not her new songs. Yes but it's hard not to notice Gaga. She's everywhere. This video is going to go viral like all of her other videos and it'll be hard to miss it. It's just a bit disrespectful to tactfully recreate the Bible in a music video and exploit it in that way.

Oh and Stu, I am aware of her intention with the song and that she's not directly referring to Judas Iscariot but a lot of Christians and Catholics don't know that. She hasn't emphasized that to the public.

So what? Fuck them. They're idiots. Does anyone really care if the Christian right get offended anymore?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

So what? Fuck them. They're idiots. Does anyone really care if the Christian right get offended anymore?

Maybe not in this country, but religion plays a huge role in most of wider Europe and the rest of the world. [/two cents] [/isn't even a Lady GaGa fan/hater so isn't really sure why he's posting]

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by Zee

Maybe not in this country, but religion plays a huge role in most of wider Europe and the rest of the world. [/two cents] [/isn't even a Lady GaGa fan/hater so isn't really sure why he's posting]

-blames alcohol-

[Z]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

-blames alcohol-

THIS LOL

caps

[Stu]

I can't imagine Lady GaGa having many hardcore Christian fundies as fans in the first place. I seriously don't see why it matters. If the songs were actually any good the brash imagery would probably stand to earn her more fans than shun them.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Youtube video

smithy gun burn in hell

[Zippy]

^ stupid bitch

she needs punching