[rk3388]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Atheism does not deserve respect. Probably my biggest gripe against it is it targets children who are the most vulnerable members of society. It deserves to be mocked.

^THIS.
I do respect everyone and there beliefs as i hope they do to me
BUT i think atheism does not deserve respect.
I mean who are you to go up to people and tell them what they believe in isnt true.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by rk3388

^THIS.
I do respect everyone and there beliefs as i hope they do to me
BUT i think atheism does not deserve respect.
I mean who are you to go up to people and tell them what they believe in isnt true.

Not all atheists do that.

The ones that do are preaching in a similar fashion to the annoying Religiotards who do it all the time.

I see no difference. You are an absoloute hypocrite for respecting some beliefs but not others.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

I see no difference. You are an absoloute hypocrite for respecting some beliefs but not others.

Well if your presumption was correct and there is no difference then YOU would be a hypocrite for having different level of respect.

Then again I don't think you practice what you preach. I suspect you have a lot of respect for someone who (going to guesstimate) someone who was raised in a strict fundamentalist Christian home but somewhere in University fell into Rastafarianism... but a kind of 'Agnosticism',
versus,
a hardcore Scientologist.
I am going to guess you have have a healthy level of respect for the former and you have little respect for the latter?

Anyways, I do have varying levels of respect for whatever belief systems and worldviews.
High on my list would be Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and then much lower would be Islam,
and,
then I have very little respect for Scientology, Mormonism,
but,
Way way at the bottom is the belief system that is nearly by 'definition' the stupidest most illogical unreasonable belief system on the planet and that is Atheism.
Naturalistic Atheism. I mean this is a belief based on what could actually be a 'childrens first lesson' on illogical statements:
From Nothing came Something.

I mean seriously, if you had to stay up all night inventing the 'stupidest thing ever said' and hired professional writers and philosophers you would eventually come up with:
Something came from Nothing.

The Dictionary could use Atheism as an example near 'Stupid'. It is such a stupid belief system it makes Scientology slightly credible. That is amazing.

So yes I do have various degrees of respect but that is speaking to the belief system. Not the person themselves.
It is true that most Atheists are shltheads, bitter apples and dicks,
but,
I'm also aware that many of them are just scared or willfully ignorant or just naive enough like we all are. In a very human way.
For them, 'naturalistic evolutionism' is a comforting 'fairie tale for adults' that they need to help them get through life. A 'crutch' if you will. or a 'blinder' helping them avoid facing the scary.. actually terrifying idea of an afterlife and more specifically a 'Maker' whom they might just need to answer to.
I can respect that person. Also they may be quite good at many other things.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Well if your presumption was correct and there is no difference then YOU would be a hypocrite for having different level of respect.

Not at all. I'm the one who has been giving the argument that no belief system is obligated respect - therefore it is up to me to choose what to respect.

rk3388 said on the other hand, and I quote, 'I do respect everyone and their beliefs' but then goes on to say Atheism he has no respect for.

So yeah. I won't even bother trying to tackle the rest Sailor Boy. You're far, far from the grasp of reality and I wouldn't ever bother trying to reason with you.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

rk3388 said on the other hand, and I quote, 'I do respect everyone and their beliefs' but then goes on to say Atheism he has no respect for.

Right. He seemed to think it wasn't a belief system. Otherwise, it remains that you would be a hypocrite IF you did expect 'equal respect'.

Can you try and make that clearer as it does not make sense?

Keep working on it yourself.

Not even Augustine and the earlier Church fathers took the Creation story literally and we are talking about a man who ushered in the dark ages.

Yes they did and there were no 'dark ages' ushered in by anyone.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Well if your presumption was correct and there is no difference then YOU would be a hypocrite for having different level of respect.

Then again I don't think you practice what you preach. I suspect you have a lot of respect for someone who (going to guesstimate) someone who was raised in a strict fundamentalist Christian home but somewhere in University fell into Rastafarianism... but a kind of 'Agnosticism',
versus,
a hardcore Scientologist.
I am going to guess you have have a healthy level of respect for the former and you have little respect for the latter?

Anyways, I do have varying levels of respect for whatever belief systems and worldviews.
High on my list would be Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and then much lower would be Islam,
and,
then I have very little respect for Scientology, Mormonism,
but,
Way way at the bottom is the belief system that is nearly by 'definition' the stupidest most illogical unreasonable belief system on the planet and that is Atheism.
Naturalistic Atheism. I mean this is a belief based on what could actually be a 'childrens first lesson' on illogical statements:
From Nothing came Something.

Spoken like a theologian. Have you never stopped to consider these two things? That since mass and energy can only be converted into energy and vice versa, that the beginning of the universe was completely spontaneous and that this fundamental physical property of all matter and energy mean that no causal relationship between matter and a non-corporeal deity is even possible? Also since time is finite (and not even completely linear as we've discovered in the past century), the Big Bang wasn't an event that occured somewhere along some abstract timeline of infinity, but in fact was the beginning full stop? It's emininently logical

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I mean seriously, if you had to stay up all night inventing the 'stupidest thing ever said' and hired professional writers and philosophers you would eventually come up with:
Something came from Nothing.

The Dictionary could use Atheism as an example near 'Stupid'. It is such a stupid belief system it makes Scientology slightly credible. That is amazing.

So yes I do have various degrees of respect but that is speaking to the belief system. Not the person themselves.
It is true that most Atheists are shltheads, bitter apples and dicks,
but,
I'm also aware that many of them are just scared or willfully ignorant or just naive enough like we all are. In a very human way.
For them, 'naturalistic evolutionism' is a comforting 'fairie tale for adults' that they need to help them get through life. A 'crutch' if you will. or a 'blinder' helping them avoid facing the scary.. actually terrifying idea of an afterlife and more specifically a 'Maker' whom they might just need to answer to.
I can respect that person. Also they may be quite good at many other things.

What is this born-again protestant fixation with trying to discredit the natural sciences? Even Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians know better and have done for a long time. Not even Augustine and the earlier Church fathers took the Creation story literally and we are talking about a man who ushered in the dark ages. I'm glad you say you respect such people (after insisting over 9000 times that you didn't, but then consistency is not really your strong point), otherwise there wouldn't be many people left to respect.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by rk3388

BUT i think atheism does not deserve respect.
I mean who are you to go up to people and tell them what they believe in isnt true.

it's called opinion

wasn't even aware atheism was actually a religion. So I am religious after all?

damn