[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But you don't have to engage in everything you see online just like you don't in real life. If someone is saying nasty things about you then WHY would you want to be emotionally affected by it when you don't have to be? It's not restricting yourself, it's not letting them win. People only troll for a response and your reply pretty much says to me to give them what they want. The way to deal with abuse is not to give them a response and that's a lot easier to do online then it is in real life, thus the two aren't comparable.

So it would be a waste of time reporting any post on this forum that offended me if you were the only Mod online at that time?

Have you since being made mod ever infracted, warned or even banned anyone for something offensive?

You obviously dont have to answer that question above. I can just browse the ban list

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So it would be a waste of time reporting any post on this forum that offended me if you were the only Mod online at that time?

Have you since being made mod ever infracted, warned or even banned anyone for something offensive?

You obviously dont have to answer that question above.

Reporting a post would come under the same umbrella as my ignoring argument, it's a passive response instead of an active one so that the troll isn't getting the reaction they want.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Reporting a post would come under the same umbrella as my ignoring argument, it's a passive response instead of an active one so that the troll isn't getting the reaction they want.

Yes but in you dealing with the report, you are then effectively taking over the job of the CPS in this case.

You have to decide about the post, whether it follows site rules, whether the person reporting has a genuine greivance or point. But most of all whether the poster of the offending post should in some way be dealt with.

If this is the case and you genuinely believe what you have already stated about free speech, then by following your beliefs, you would simply leave the post and tell the reporter to ignore the post/thread/poster

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes but in you dealing with the report, you are then effectively taking over the job of the CPS in this case.

You have to decide about the post, whether it follows site rules, whether the person reporting has a genuine greivance or point. But most of all whether the poster of the offending post should in some way be dealt with.

If this is the case and you genuinely believe what you have already stated about free speech, then by following your beliefs, you would simply leave the post and tell the reporter to ignore the post/thread/poster

I believe that free speech shouldn't be punishable by law, the law and the rules of an informal website such as this are two different things and it's ridiculous to compare them. Banning someone is in no way comparable to sending them to prison thus I don't see the point in this continued attack on my mod status.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I believe that free speech shouldn't be punishable by law, the law and the rules of an informal website such as this are two different things and it's ridiculous to compare them. Banning someone is in no way comparable to sending them to prison thus I don't see the point in this continued attack on my mod status.

Thats the problem, unfortunately for Mr Duffy thats the law of the land. Just as he has a right to free speech

People have a right not to be insulted.
People have a right not to be harrassed.
People have a right not to be bullied.

And that is what the courts are for to decide where one person rights and freedoms infringe on anothers.

In this particular case he didnt just do that to one person, if he had he would have probably just received a caution or an ASBO. Nor in any of the cases in court did he only do it once, it was systematic harrassment or offensive behaviour over a period of time.

He done it to several people, 5 cases of it were brought to the attention of the court, how many others were detected or investigated? How many others did he manage to keep concealed?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats the problem, unfortunately for Mr Duffy thats the law of the land.

People have a right not to be insulted
People have a right not to be harrassed
People have a right not to be bullied.

In this particular case he didnt just do that to one person, if he had he would have probably just received a caution or an ASBO. Nor in any of the cases in court did he only do it once, it was systematic harrassment or offensive behaviour over a period of time.

He done it to several people, 5 cases of it were brought to the attention of the court, how many others were detected or investigated? How many others did he manage to kepp concealed?

A custodial sentence is ridiculous no matter how you cut it, it's a drain on resources when Facebook should have just banned him and ended the matter there.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A custodial sentence is ridiculous no matter how you cut it, it's a drain on resources when Facebook should have just banned him and ended the matter there.

He gets a new email address and resets his IP, changes ISP, whatever, he is back online and can do the same again any time he likes.

Not all the ins and outs of evidence presented to the court has been published. Therefore he may have slready sidestepped bans imposed.

Eventually someone using the anonymity of the internet to repeatedly harass and offend others has to be held accountable and if need be punished.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A custodial sentence is ridiculous no matter how you cut it, it's a drain on resources when Facebook should have just banned him and ended the matter there.

You have stated over and over again: that such people should be ignored, that it has no impact in real life.

Why should FB just ban him then, given your repeated stance on the position as far as online is concerned.

The point was raised with regards to that same person not stopping at FB - but uploading youtube clips and mocking, insulting, being abusive there. It's only another example of a million that can be given.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats the problem, unfortunately for Mr Duffy thats the law of the land. Just as he has a right to free speech

People have a right not to be insulted.
People have a right not to be harrassed.
People have a right not to be bullied.

And that is what the courts are for to decide where one person rights and freedoms infringe on anothers.

In this particular case he didnt just do that to one person, if he had he would have probably just received a caution or an ASBO. Nor in any of the cases in court did he only do it once, it was systematic harrassment or offensive behaviour over a period of time.

He done it to several people, 5 cases of it were brought to the attention of the court, how many others were detected or investigated? How many others did he manage to keep concealed?

Fair points but I don't think we'll ever agree on it, I just think it's a waste of money that would be better spent elsewhere.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Fair points but I don't think we'll ever agree on it, I just think it's a waste of money that would be better spent elsewhere.

What is the waste of money though?

The prosecution? No I think the prosecution is right, it helps to show people what the actual relevant law is, it educates them to behaviour that wont be tolerated, it gives back a sense of protection to those suffering harrassment etc, new hope if you like.

The punishment? Yes will agree with your point there, I think 360hours+ on a community payback order in addition to some sort of properly supervised counsilling sessions etc would have been more beneficial to him. But the punishment is down to the bench to decide. Dont forget though before a custodial sentence is imposed there will have been input from social workers, psychiatrists and other relevant professionals.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I believe that free speech shouldn't be punishable by law, the law and the rules of an informal website such as this are two different things and it's ridiculous to compare them. Banning someone is in no way comparable to sending them to prison thus I don't see the point in this continued attack on my mod status.

I don't see anyone attacking Dezzy. What I do say is some very serious, personal opinion made by you yourself on the subject matter, which is what is being addressed - your opinon, not you personally. By coincedence you happen to be a moderator of an online form. By default it is natural for people therefore to question: would reports of such a nature would not necessarily be dealt with by you (in accordance with that forums online rules) because you feel that what one person regards as an insult, you wouldn't.


Now you appear to be saying: Freedom of Speech should not be punishable by law (yet you mentioned earlier

I never said he shouldn't be punished,

. If you think by law it should not be punishable: what do you think he did that was wrong enough for you to say 'he shouldnt be punished'

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Reporting a post would come under the same umbrella as my ignoring argument, it's a passive response instead of an active one so that the troll isn't getting the reaction they want.

in the very same way that you have clearly ignored several very pertinent examples of online abuse, that have been put to you?

Actully, now I read your reply again: I'd say you were calling others who are replying to you here on this thread, trolls.

I'd consider that pretty much bordering on insulting behaviour.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So it would be a waste of time reporting any post on this forum that offended me if you were the only Mod online at that time?

Have you since being made mod ever infracted, warned or even banned anyone for something offensive?

You obviously dont have to answer that question above.

It does beg the question: what point is there in reporting posts - ie; if the report is being attended to be a moderator who thinks there is nothing wrong with insulting and being abusive.


As for the question you asked above: I can categorically confirm that has happened to me on a personal level and to no small amount either.