[Omah]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I see, just because I don't share your, quite frankly disturbing, bloodlust I must be some sort of soft type who goes around hugging rapists and murderers.

Good logic.

I don't share your, quite frankly, unsettling naivety - I have no doubt that you are capable of "hugging rapists and murderers" .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Okay then let's live in your proposed world for a moment, in order to save money we kill the most vile of criminals, we then decide to save more money by then killing thieves, thugs, people with parking tickets ETC. If the Law is ruled by finance then it'll ultimately be ruled by greed in the end.

What "proposed world" ?

Ofcouse, you are free to dramatise ..... but the law is ruled by finance - property is more important than people - "it's the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame" - robbing banks gets you locked up, but robber bankers grow fat on your cash .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because it's cheaper to simply imprison criminals? Your whole point about executions being a better option financially is ultimately flawed. In America it costs a lot more to execute someone then it would to imprison them since you have to go through years of appeals and court actions before you can execute anyone. It's cheaper to simply imprison someone and try to rehabilitate them so they aren't a danger to the public when (or if) they are released.

This is NOT America (or even the USA) ..... so your point does not apply .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like I said before it'd be a bigger waste of money to execute them. If you're going to imprison someone it's worth trying to rehabilitate them since it's better to try and fail then not to try at all. Not every Jail sentence is permanent so what's the problem in trying to rehabilitate someone so they aren't a danger to the public when they are released?

Ah, the old Christian Victorian "reformer" argument ..... it never worked and it never will - prisons have always been "schools" for villains, nowadays they're "colleges" for religious fundamentalists, too .....

I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting .....

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Omah

I don't share your, quite frankly, unsettling naivety - I have no doubt that you are capable of "hugging rapists and murderers" .....

I'd rather be considered naive then disturbingly bloodthirsty. Like I said before how a person treats their lessers says a lot about them.

This is NOT America (or even the USA) ..... so your point does not apply .....

Yes it does, you just don't have a counter for it so you're doing the equivelant of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'

America's one of the few countries that's quite comparable to us in a lot of ways that still deals capital punishment so if it costs them tons of money to execute someone because of appeals, court procedures, Human Rights checks ETC then it would probably be a similar case in the UK if they brought back the death penalty. It's a fair comparison, you're just trying to void it because it destroys your little 'Killing people is financially sound' argument. Why don't you try another way to justify your bloodlust hmm?

Ah, the old Christian Victorian "reformer" argument ..... it never worked and it never will - prisons have always been "schools" for villains, nowadays they're "colleges" for religious fundamentalists, too .....

I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting .....

Okay then, what do you propose? Based on America, executions tend to cost more then life terms so what would you do? Bin all rehabilitation efforts just because it doesn't always work? Just let potential re-offenders rot in prison until they are released and free to do it all again? Like I've made a point of saying, all in all a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution so why would you not try to rehabilitate criminals for the sake of the public when they are released?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'd rather be considered naive then disturbingly bloodthirsty. Like I said before how a person treats their lessers says a lot about them.




Yes it does, you just don't have a counter for it so you're doing the equivelant of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'

America's one of the few countries that's quite comparable to us in a lot of ways that still deals capital punishment so if it costs them tons of money to execute someone because of appeals, court procedures, Human Rights checks ETC then it would probably be a similar case in the UK if they brought back the death penalty.

AFAIK, the legal and punitive systems in the U.S.A. are radically different from those in England, letalone the rest of the UK.

It's a fair comparison, you're just trying to void it because it destroys your little 'Killing people is financially sound' argument. Why don't you try another way to justify your bloodlust hmm?

As I said, you're judging me without knowing me - and you're even misquoting me, since I said "in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense"

Okay then, what do you propose? Based on America, executions tend to cost more then life terms so what would you do? Bin all rehabilitation efforts just because it doesn't always work? Just let potential re-offenders rot in prison until they are released and free to do it all again? Like I've made a point of saying, all in all a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution so why would you not try to rehabilitate criminals for the sake of the public when they are released?

"executions tend to cost more then life terms" & "a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution" - can you substantiate those statement with figures ?

Does rehabilitation work ? I have not yet done any research - if you have some figures, I'll be interested to check out your sources ..... ;