[Livia]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That's not the point.

The point was that she keeps saying she's not comfortable with public nudity and how she's very "reserved", "classy" and "shy".
Putting out a sex tape of yourself to the public is exactly the opposite of what someone who is reserved would do.

Denise was out of order, and the twins were right to be upset about it but to use the reasoning that she's reserved is glaringly false.

Just because there is a sex tape in the public domain, and just because she has been photogaphed naked gives no one the right to pull down her trousers. I've not seen her get her kit off in the house, and having someone make the decision for her is wrong. Whatever she said about herself being reserved and shy doesn't ring true, but the twins had drunk as much wine as Denise tonight. Had the twins been sober, the reaction to Denise's drunken behaviour might have been different.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just because there is a sex tape in the public domain, and just because she has been photogaphed naked gives no one the right to pull down her trousers. I've not seen her get her kit off in the house, and having someone make the decision for her is wrong. Whatever she said about herself being reserved and shy doesn't ring true, but the twins had drunk as much wine as Denise tonight. Had the twins been sober, the reaction to Denise's drunken behaviour might have been different.

AGAIN, that's not the point. I'm not condoning what Denise did, she was out of order. Karissa had every right to be peed at her.

My point is that with a sex tape in public domain and countless images and photographs sold to magazines and all over the internet she has no right to refer to herself as reserved because she isn't.

My issue was with the twins acting as though they're shy, reserved and classy when all evidence shows the opposite. I don't like fake people, regardless of this whole pants-pulling business. And they've said it numerous times not just drunk.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

AGAIN, that's not the point. I'm not condoning what Denise did, she was out of order. Karissa had every right to be peed at her.

My point is that with a sex tape in public domain and countless images and photographs sold to magazines and all over the internet she has no right to refer to herself as reserved because she isn't.

My issue was with the twins acting as though they're shy, reserved and classy when all evidence shows the opposite. I don't like fake people, regardless of this whole pants-pulling business. And they've said it numerous times not just drunk.

And AGAIN, I don't happen to agree and no matter how many times you repeat the same thing, I'm not going to agree. One of them has made a sex tape and they've both been photogaphed naked. Neither the tape nor the photos are available on Channel 5 at peak viewing time. Maybe they are reserved about having their naked bodies shown on national TV especially when the decision to show it hasn't been taken by them. I'm surprised that the one thing you're objecting to from tonight's show is the twins saying they're reserved.

[Clanger]

The self decloration of being reserved was funny enough but when they declared themselves as "Classy" I fell of the sofa!

Most Americans would class these two as trailer trash.

They are pretty much porn stars. I heard the one that did the sex tape got half a million dollars for it. Perhaps they are so dim that they dont imagine the Brits have Google. Thats what its all about to them though. Wonga. Well good luck to them but please dont think that we in this country are so stupid that we would fall for this pathetic attempt to appear respectible.

Then again its clear many are falling for it.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by Clanger

The self decloration of being reserved was funny enough but when they declared themselves as "Classy" I fell of the sofa!

Most Americans would class these two as trailer trash.

They are pretty much porn stars. I heard the one that did the sex tape got half a million dollars for it. Perhaps they are so dim that they dont imagine the Brits have Google. Thats what its all about to them though. Wonga. Well good luck to them but please dont think that we in this country are so stupid that we would fall for this pathetic attempt to appear respectible.

Then again its clear many are falling for it.

I think you've hit the nail on the head here - they are not being paid enough on CBB to reveal their assets hence the fury at the thought of some flesh being shown. I guess they are reserving that for when they leave and all the lads mag deals. Good luck to them but please don't tell me your classy and respectable as it just doesn't wash I'm afraid.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And AGAIN, I don't happen to agree and no matter how many times you repeat the same thing, I'm not going to agree. One of them has made a sex tape and they've both been photogaphed naked. Neither the tape nor the photos are available on Channel 5 at peak viewing time. Maybe they are reserved about having their naked bodies shown on national TV especially when the decision to show it hasn't been taken by them. I'm surprised that the one thing you're objecting to from tonight's show is the twins saying they're reserved.

FGS, I don't expect you to agree.

You thought I was condoning what Denise did to Karissa because she did a sex tape. I was clarifying that that wasn't my point at all, and letting you know what I actually meant.

And "reserved" wasn't the only objection I had in the show, but was the point of that post I made. Which you misunderstood and I corrected.