[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes it is. Throughout the interview: Denise is so obsessed with Michael that she CONTINUALLY had to refer to him in a derogatory manner - he therefore had every right to defend himself - regardless. That's my opinion and whether you like it or not, it is a valid opinion.

What? That never happened at all.

The interview was running smoothly, no comments about Michael had been made by Denise. Emma was then about to ask some questions about Michael, when in the audience it became apparent that Michael himself was pretending to snore - which is out and out rudeness. Denise called him up on it, saying it was 'bad sportsmanship', which it is, he continued, shouted a bit - and so Denise quite rightfully told him to '**** off'. That is how it happened - Michael started it all.

It is not an opinion. It was rudeness from Michael, and that's the bottom line of it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What? That never happened at all.

The interview was running smoothly, no comments about Michael had been made by Denise. Emma was then about to ask some questions about Michael, when in the audience it became apparent that Michael himself was pretending to snore - which is out and out rudeness. Denise called him up on it, saying it was 'bad sportsmanship', which it is, he continued, shouted a bit - and so Denise quite rightfully told him to '**** off'. That is how it happened - Michael started it all.

It is not an opinion. It was rudeness from Michael, and that's the bottom line of it.

It's my opinion - and it's valid. You might not agree, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. If he wanted to inject a bit of humour into things - that was up to him. I didn't have an issue with it.

Telling someone to **** off, which she did, is far more rude, rather than ignoring Michael which she could have done....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's my opinion - and it's valid. You might not agree, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. If he wanted to inject a bit of humour into things - that was up to him. I didn't have an issue with it.

Telling someone to **** off, which she did, is far more rude, rather than ignoring Michael which she could have done....

No it is not valid. This is a case of fact, not opinion. It wasn't humorous in the slightest, well, maybe in an this-is-awkward-tv-but-it's-amusing kind of way, but when you take that aspect out of it and look at it seriously and maturely - Michael was rude and bad mannered. As I have said previously in this thread or another, if you pretended to snore in a classroom/lecture/meeting, you would be shown the door, as everybody knows how bad mannered and rude it is. How anybody could attempt to try and dispute that is just beyond me...because quite clearly you can't.

So let me get this straight, someone is quite blatantly baiting her, being rude and bad mannered and quite unfair, and she is supposed to just sit there and take it? How ridiculous. If she didn't tell him how rude he was being, no one else would have done...and someone had to do it. If someone is being rude, you call them up on it, and you are quite within your rights to be rude back to them. Ignoring them just allows them to bait you even more.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it is not valid. This is a case of fact, not opinion. It wasn't humorous in the slightest, well, maybe in an this-is-awkward-tv-but-it's-amusing kind of way, but when you take that aspect out of it and look at it seriously and maturely - Michael was rude and bad mannered. As I have said previously in this thread or another, if you pretended to snore in a classroom/lecture/meeting, you would be shown the door, as everybody knows how bad mannered and rude it is. How anybody could attempt to try and dispute that is just beyond me...because quite clearly you can't.

So let me get this straight, someone is quite blatantly baiting her, being rude and bad mannered and quite unfair, and she is supposed to just sit there and take it? How ridiculous. If she didn't tell him how rude he was being, no one else would have done...and someone had to do it. If someone is being rude, you call them up on it, and you are quite within your rights to be rude back to them. Ignoring them just allows them to bait you even more.

Three words Jack in response. Yes it is.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Three words Jack in response. Yes it is.

Congratulations in bypassing everything else I posted as part of my counter argument, therefore proving you have no way of justifying your biased 'opinion'. I gave you the opportunity, and you know full well there's no way you can dispute this, so instead of attempting to reply - you chickened out and posted something baseless.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Congratulations in bypassing everything else I posted as part of my counter argument, therefore proving you have no way of justifying your biased 'opinion'. I gave you the opportunity, and you know full well there's no way you can dispute this, so instead of attempting to reply - you chickened out and posted something baseless.

There was nothing more to say. Three little words said it all Jack.

My (and anyone else's opinion) is as valid as yours. Difficult as you may find that to believe -but that's something known as FACT.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There was nothing more to say. Three little words said it all Jack.

My (and anyone else's opinion) is as valid as yours. Difficult as you may find that to believe -but that's something known as FACT.

Of course there was, and I listed almost all of them in my reply. The example I made about lectures/meetings, the point I made that she shouldn't allow someone to bait her and the simple fact that it is well known that that sort of behaviour is bad mannered. You responded to absolutely none of them, when they were all valid, reasoned responses. You had the opportunity to respond and attempt to justify your point, but you didn't. And you didn't because you knew full well that you couldn't.

You're a master at bypassing points Pyramid but it doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. If you can't take on a simple, reasoned counter argument then yours is proven as baseless and falls flat on its face, showing that it is not a valid opinion.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There was nothing more to say. Three little words said it all Jack.

My (and anyone else's opinion) is as valid as yours. Difficult as you may find that to believe -but that's something known as FACT.

Here's how we'll settle this. Your opinion is valid, but wrong.

All sorted.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it is not valid. This is a case of fact, not opinion. It wasn't humorous in the slightest, well, maybe in an this-is-awkward-tv-but-it's-amusing kind of way, but when you take that aspect out of it and look at it seriously and maturely - Michael was rude and bad mannered. As I have said previously in this thread or another, if you pretended to snore in a classroom/lecture/meeting, you would be shown the door, as everybody knows how bad mannered and rude it is. How anybody could attempt to try and dispute that is just beyond me...because quite clearly you can't.

So let me get this straight, someone is quite blatantly baiting her, being rude and bad mannered and quite unfair, and she is supposed to just sit there and take it? How ridiculous. If she didn't tell him how rude he was being, no one else would have done...and someone had to do it. If someone is being rude, you call them up on it, and you are quite within your rights to be rude back to them. Ignoring them just allows them to bait you even more.

So it was ok for her to bait him? Had she acted in a ladylike manner (lol) she could have proven herself a greater person than him instead of which she let herself down big time. It was her favourite pastime baiting Michael and then going around in the house saying how unreasonable he was. He even asked the help of BB with her. Had he been harassing her he would have been thrown out and booed, look at what happened to Shree, but thereagain he was a male. Had he pulled someones trousers down, there would have been an uproar. One of the Jedward twins was pulled up because he twanged someones bikin bottom. He shouldnt have done it and neither should Denise have done so. Many took her side though as they are doing now with the BOTS thing. BB know what they are doing, they should have perhaps realised how fragile Denise appeard to be and not to have kept on bringing up the fact of Michael. Michael managed not to go into to much detail although his words said it all. She went on and on with her poor little me act.

Michael was the winner where BOTS was concerned, her face looked evil at one stage. Her past was catching up with her. Sad tbh I hope she manages to overcome it all and find peace within herself without having to sell herself so much.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What? That never happened at all.

The interview was running smoothly, no comments about Michael had been made by Denise. Emma was then about to ask some questions about Michael, when in the audience it became apparent that Michael himself was pretending to snore - which is out and out rudeness. Denise called him up on it, saying it was 'bad sportsmanship', which it is, he continued, shouted a bit - and so Denise quite rightfully told him to '**** off'. That is how it happened - Michael started it all.

It is not an opinion. It was rudeness from Michael, and that's the bottom line of it.

She was running him down constantly she couldnt let it go, she couldnt get over the fact that he didnt like her......She has to be liked by everyone to allow her to cope with life.