Originally Posted by lostalex

The death penalty is not the government "committing murder", it's protecting society from dangerous monsters. That's the government's job, to protect innocent people. That;'s the whole point of having a criminal justice system. What about the rights of society to not be murdered by psychopaths like these people?

If these people are willing to kill their own family members in the name of Islam, it's not a stretch to imagine that they'd do terrorist attacks next against people they don't even know.

It is murder, it's just murder that is in retribution. As an American, you should know that the death penalty doesn't work. It's not a successful deterrent, in any way, shape or form.

The leap from honour killings to terrorism is vast. Although to the bigoted mind, it probably isn't. The rights of society are protected by locking away the offender, indefinitely.

Murder, is murder, is murder.

I'm no fan of Islam, believe me, but your logic is naive at best, and borderline racist at worst.

Originally Posted by lostalex

So what? Bronze also belongs in the bronze age, that doesn't mean we should ban bronze.

It was a reference to the development of society. I'd hope that we have progressed past bronzed-aged morality, or should we push for the re-introduction of human sacrifices, too?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It is murder, it's just murder that is in retribution. As an American, you should know that the death penalty doesn't work. It's not a successful deterrent, in any way, shape or form.

The leap from honour killings to terrorism is vast. Although to the bigoted mind, it probably isn't. The rights of society are protected by locking away the offender, indefinitely.

Murder, is murder, is murder.

I'm no fan of Islam, believe me, but your logic is naive at best, and borderline racist at worst.



It was a reference to the development of society. I'd hope that we have progressed past bronzed-aged morality, or should we push for the re-introduction of human sacrifices, too?

So you think it's more humane to lock someone up for life? to me that seems more cruel. IF a "life sentence, really means a LIFE SENTENCE" I know if i was going to be locked up forever, i'd prefer the death penalty. But then again a "life sentence" in Canada doesn't really mean LIFE, does it? and that's the problem.

Originally Posted by lostalex

So you think it's more humane to lock someone up for life? to me that seems more cruel. IF a "life sentence, really means a LIFE SENTENCE" I know if i was going to be locked up forever, i'd prefer the death penalty. But then again a "life sentence" in Canada doesn't really mean LIFE, does it? and that's the problem.

I think it is more humane that the state doesn't commit murder of it's own citizens, yes. You may personally prefer the death penalty, as it's the easy thing to say, but how many people in prison till they die, actually commit suicide?

Life is more precious than we believe it to be on the face of it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I think it is more humane that the state doesn't commit murder of it's own citizens, yes. You may personally prefer the death penalty, as it's the easy thing to say, but how many people in prison till they die, actually commit suicide?

Life is more precious than we believe it to be on the face of it.

and Freedom is more precious aswell.

Originally Posted by lostalex

and Freedom is more precious aswell.

Freedom is more precious than life? Without life there is nothingness, and freedom doesn't exist.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Freedom is more precious than life? Without life there is nothingness, and freedom doesn't exist.

i never said life was more precious than freedom. i was responding to this quote that you said "Life is more precious than we believe it to be on the face of it."

And i was simply saying that Freedom is ALSO more precious than we believe, which is why i was saying being locked up for life is very much a very cruel thing. Knowing you will be in prison until you die is cruelty i believe. and the longer you live, the more cruel it becomes.

Originally Posted by lostalex

i never said life was more precious than freedom. i was responding to this quote that you said "Life is more precious than we believe it to be on the face of it."

And i was simply saying that Freedom is ALSO more precious than we believe, which is why i was saying being locked up for life is very much a very cruel thing. Knowing you will be in prison until you die is cruelty i believe. and the longer you live, the more cruel it becomes.

A couple of posts up, you wanted society protecting from murderers, by murdering them back. Now you are saying it is inhumane to lock up prisoners until they die in order to protect society.

That logic seems flawed and contradictory to me.