[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

They dont get life!!!!and they rarely kill themselves IF they do I say it's great they at least had a conscience about what they did,IF that is the reason they did it,and nice that they saved us loads of money and imo suicide is NOT a cowards way out it is usually desperation.

And you think the family of the murdered child would think like that?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Glenn

And you think the family of the murdered child would think like that?

I really dont think I am the right person to question on that,lets just say this guy wasn't a child murderer,he loved his son and I as a mum can see why he was so distraught.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I really dont think I am the right person to question on that,lets just say this guy wasn't a child murderer,he loved his son and I as a mum can see why he was so distraught.

Hypothetically if your child was murdered and the murderer killed himself, then how would you feel?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...you could argue, that if he hadn't of committed suicide...maybe in a month...6 months...a year....things may have seemed different to him...he may have found a channel...

That's what guts me personally when it comes to suicides. You think how, with the right help and support, this person could have been guided into a happier and healthier future.

My mum suffered with depression a lot when she was younger aswell as panic attacks and everything. She said it feels like a different person when she thinks back to her darkest times when it felt like she'd never feel happiness again. You never know what the future holds.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Hypothetically if your child was murdered and the murderer killed himself, then how would you feel?

Sorry, I know this was directed at kazanne but how is that relevant to this particular case?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That's what guts me personally when it comes to suicides. You think how, with the right help and support, this person could have been guided into a happier and healthier future.

My mum suffered with depression a lot when she was younger aswell as panic attacks and everything. She said it feels like a different person when she thinks back to her darkest times when it felt like she'd never feel happiness again. You never know what the future holds.

No you don't..but we don't live in the future..we live in the present...sometimes people can't see beyond their grief to recognise they need help..none of us have got a suicide tick list...we can only take every minute as it comes and hope we get through to the next...this guy couldn't do that..his grief had obviously become bigger than him..some get through and some don't

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

No you don't..but we don't live in the future..we live in the present...sometimes people can't see beyond their grief to recognise they need help..none of us have got a suicide tick list...we can only take every minute as it comes and hope we get through to the next...this guy couldn't do that..his grief had obviously become bigger than him..some get through and some don't

I know that. Just saying it's sad when from a rational POV these tragedies can be avoided.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Hypothetically if your child was murdered and the murderer killed himself, then how would you feel?

Good riddance to them ,is the polite way of putting it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I know that. Just saying it's sad when from a rational POV these tragedies can be avoided.

Yes...there probably aren't many people who commit suicide while they are rational

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Sorry, I know this was directed at kazanne but how is that relevant to this particular case?

For kazannes viewpoint on suicide.

[Glenn.]

Really? You would think 'good riddance' for someone who murdered your child? You would of thought them taking the easy way out?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Glenn

For kazannes viewpoint on suicide.

Glenn,a girl I used to nanny for in New York recently committed suicide and it was a complete shock,when i looked after her she was 8ish and a sweet lively kid that was always smiling and happy,We were given the news just before christmas that she had died she was 21,turns out she had Bi Polar and suffered bad depression and in the end took her own life,her family realize she she was ill ,she was not selfish imo,she just couldn't hack day to day life anymore,it was hard for me to comprehend as I still thought of her as that sweet ,smiling kid,,but unless we have ever been there we really cannot call them cowards or selfish,just my opinion of course.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Really? You would think 'good riddance' for someone who murdered your child? You would of thought them taking the easy way out?

Glenn ,if someone touched my kid they wouldn't have to commit suicide,I'de do it for them,sorry but you did ask and the 'child murder' topic really is not relevent.

[Glenn.]

I girl in my year at school killed herself on Christmas Eve because her mum and dad refused to let her go out clubbing. Prime example of a selfish suicide. Her family can no longer celebrate Christmas down to her selfish actions.

[Ammi]

People in despair don't make a tick list..the pros and the cons...which is the easier/harder way..there are no pros

..I'm still wondering why nobody is saying how selfish his 15 year old son was...he committed suicide too

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I girl in my year at school killed herself on Christmas Eve because her mum and dad refused to let her go out clubbing. Prime example of a selfish suicide. Her family can no longer celebrate Christmas down to her selfish actions.

..I don't think you can equate not being able to have a night out with losing a child...it's not that black and white

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

People in despair don't make a tick list..the pros and the cons...which is the easier/harder way..there are no pros

..I'm still wondering why nobody is saying how selfish his 15 year old son was...he committed suicide too

Good point Ammi,and the girl Glenn said committed suicide Xmas eve because she couldn't go clubbing surely MUST have had other issues going on in her life to do that.

[Jamie.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I feel for his poor wife.

I disagree completely with suicide and feel there is no excuse whatsoever for taking your own life. It's selfish regardless of the circumstances.

It's the wife that has to go through the pain and loss of losing not only her child but now the husband too.

A very heartless comment Glenn.
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[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I girl in my year at school killed herself on Christmas Eve because her mum and dad refused to let her go out clubbing. Prime example of a selfish suicide. Her family can no longer celebrate Christmas down to her selfish actions.

She most likely had far stronger reasons than that. And if she did not why would someone want to live if something that little made them that unhappy.

The decision to get close to committing suicide IS NOT EASY. It takes a brave person to do it and an extremely depressed person to want to.
You honestly have no idea.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Good point Ammi,and the girl Glenn said committed suicide Xmas eve because she couldn't go clubbing surely MUST have had other issues going on in her life to do that.

No she didn't. She was perfectly sane. Her mother and father told her no and she ran upstairs screaming she was going to kill herself.

[Jamie.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

No she didn't. She was perfectly sane. Her mother and father told her no and she ran upstairs screaming she was going to kill herself.

Glenn, you are being EXTREMELY rude and offending many people on here (I being one of those)
If you have nothing NICE to say, GET OF THE DAMN FORUM. your so inconciderate and rude.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Good point Ammi,and the girl Glenn said committed suicide Xmas eve because she couldn't go clubbing surely MUST have had other issues going on in her life to do that.

..the two can't be compared imo Kazanne..I'm sure this man wasn't taking revenge on his wife when he killed himself

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Glenn

No she didn't. She was perfectly sane. Her mother and father told her no and she ran upstairs screaming she was going to kill herself.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? This is mental how you think it is an easy thing to do. Clearly she had depressive and uncontrollable issues caused by chemicals in the brain which were too much for herself as a human to handle.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Glenn

No she didn't. She was perfectly sane. Her mother and father told her no and she ran upstairs screaming she was going to kill herself.

..if that's the case Glenn..and she was rational and just wanted revenge on her parents...that's not selfish...it's stupid

[Glenn.]

Because I knew her?