[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Care to show figures on how much revenue that will go back into the economy on the back of the Olympics? I'm quite sure there will be projected figures somewhere for that.

Projections are just that - projections .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

I know, I'm a tax-payer .....

As am I.....and in this instance, I'm quite happy for some of my funds to be used for this purpose - even though I'm hundreds of miles away.

I don't have any issue with monies being used in pro-actively protecting the UK and it's citizens: regardless which side of the border they live.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Patrick

The Olympics are such bollocks and if I hear another thing about how amazing it is that they're being held in London etc I will shoot myself - I'd rather listen to World Cup talk than this.

I tend to agree .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Projections are just that - projections .....

What you mean is: you've had a look at the projected figures, and realised that the projected revenue figures from the Olympics: and they blow your agrument to smithereens?

You see what I did there.....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Patrick

The Olympics are such bollocks and if I hear another thing about how amazing it is that they're being held in London etc I will shoot myself - I'd rather listen to World Cup talk than this.

You better get your gun loaded then Patrick: you'll be hearing it for a long while yet.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

What you mean is: you've had a look at the projected figures, and realised that the projected revenue figures from the Olympics: and they blow your agrument to smithereens?

You see what I did there.....

London 2012 Olympics: Projected revenue hopes rise by Ł200m
In the Stratford offices of the London 2012 organisers there is a quiet optimism surrounding the final budget – so much so that the accountants have upped their best estimate of revenue. If everything goes well, the budget is tipped to top Ł2.15 billion, a rise of around Ł200 million on the previous anticipated figure.

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The cost of security has also increased from 282m to 553m pounds sterling.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So are all my family taxpayers Omah and most of them would be happy to see this money spent on security.
I will be a taxpayer too when I finish Uni by the way.

You may not be a tax payer as in from earnings: but you still pay tax Joey on some of the items you yourself will purchase: ie: bottle of wine, few beers, clothing etc.

[thesheriff443]

sounds like an only fools and horses episode,
grandad asks whats those rockets on the roof delboy?
delboys says there fireworks for the olimpicks you plonker
might see if i can pinch a few to sell down the boozer, lubly jubly.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

sounds like an only fools and horses episode,
grandad asks whats those rockets on the roof delboy?
delboys says there fireworks for the olimpicks you plonker
might see if i can pinch a few to sell down the boozer, lubly jubly.

Spiffing

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

{"big business" is going to make a packet while ordinary residents will have a summer of hell.}

No Omah
some of the games are in 3-D

only opening and closing ceremonys

summer of sports on freeview is bliss for me

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

- "big business" is going to make a packet while ordinary residents will have a summer of hell .....

Small B&B owners, small hotel owners will make money - they are 'ordinary residents'.

Small independent shops and small businesses will make money.

Self employed taxi drivers will make money.

Ordinary working folk such as bus drivers etc: will have the opportunity of overtime, as will many other professions.



Of course it's may be 'hell' given the influx of tourists - but I'm quite sure many of the foreign holiday resorts abroad say the same thing: but they put up with it, and because they benefit from it in one way or another - whether directly or indirectly.

[Kizzy]

Can I just point out the figure of 553m is JUST for security...
Then you have the cost of aquiring the land IN LONDON, the actual stadium, the olympic village, the 'cultural' olympic site...It all adds up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond...e_cost_of.html

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Small B&B owners, small hotel owners will make money - they are 'ordinary residents'.

Small independent shops and small businesses will make money.

Self employed taxi drivers will make money.

Ordinary working folk such as bus drivers etc: will have the opportunity of overtime, as will many other professions.

They will all be excluded from the OG "bonanza" - they cannot even use the word "Olympic" - that is reserved for the big corporations in the OG money-making machine - an extra few quid hardly justifies the upheaval .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Can I just point out the figure of 553m is JUST for security...
Then you have the cost of aquiring the land IN LONDON, the actual stadium, the olympic village, the 'cultural' olympic site...It all adds up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond...e_cost_of.html

Exactly - "the true cost of the Games could be nearer Ł11bn once the Ł766m price tag for buying the Olympic Park land and Ł826m of legacy projects are taken into account."

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

They will all be excluded from the OG "bonanza" - they cannot even use the word "Olympic" - that is reserved for the big corporations in the OG money-making machine - an extra few quid hardly justifies the upheaval .....

Who said anything about them using the insignia/ logo.

The massive influx of tourists and people from from all over the UK means more money being spent all over - it's not just the Blue Chip companies and big players that stand to benefit financially.

You need to think of the bigger picture.

I'm sure there will be plenty of 'everyday punters' who have small businesses that will reap the benefits ...... you are kidding yourself on if you don't think that will be the case.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Exactly - "the true cost of the Games could be nearer Ł11bn once the Ł766m price tag for buying the Olympic Park land and Ł826m of legacy projects are taken into account."

Wasn't this thread started to discuss the security and it's 'affect' on the locals...... or are we just digressing into one massive debate concerning the Olympics overall because the figures didn't weigh up in your favour??

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Who said anything about them using the insignia/ logo.

The massive influx of tourists and people from from all over the UK means more money being spent all over - it's not just the Blue Chip companies and big players that stand to benefit financially.

You need to think of the bigger picture.

I'm sure there will be plenty of 'everyday punters' who have small businesses that will reap the benefits ...... you are kidding yourself on if you don't think that will be the case.

You're kidding yourself, too ..... I'll bet you believe everything you're told .....

So far you haven't come up with any firm figures, though .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

You're kidding yourself, too ..... I'll bet you believe everything you're told .....

So far you haven't come up with any firm figures, though .....

I did come up with figures: given that the revenue can only be projected - given that the event would have to finish before the beans were counted - I'd say I've put up far better points that you have.

I don't believe everything I am told (and no one is telling me anything - I'm reading and making an educated comment based on what I am reading and from which source - which happened to be the Telegraph)... and if you can't debate without being facetious - you're not worth debating with.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Wasn't this thread started to discuss the security and it's 'affect' on the locals...... or are we just digressing into one massive debate concerning the Olympics overall because the figures didn't weigh up in your favour??

I've supplied figures, but you haven't and, I suspect, you cant't because no-one knows what, if any, spin-off benefits of the OG will be to local residents - we only know that there will be a "ring of steel" surrounding the athletes and their entourages, both in and out of the Villages and Stadiums, to say nothing of the "protection" afforded to foreign dignitaries and OG "officials" - overt policing and covert surveillance will affect every person directly and indirectly involved with the OG - even proximity or comment will justify "investigation" .....

[Kizzy]

To be fair I feel the predictions are at best hopeful and at worst lies regarding projected revenue...I also suspect the figures we are aware of relating to spending is only the tip of the iceburg....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I did come up with figures: given that the revenue can only be projected - given that the event would have to finish before the beans were counted - I'd say I've put up far better points that you have.

What figures ?

Projections? or pipedreams .....

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I don't believe everything I am told (and no one is telling me anything - I'm reading and making an educated comment based on what I am reading and from which source - which happened to be the Telegraph)... and if you can't debate without being facetious - you're not worth debating with.

OK .....

[Pyramid*]

For anyone who actually wants to discuss or consider the immediate and the long term benefits if all goes to plan.:

http://www.esadvertising.co.uk/en/1/2012profile.html

The 2012 Olympics will provide the opportunity for many areas of the City to accelerate proposed regeneration projects as well as creating new ones.Below is an insight of how the London region will benefit from the 2012 games.

The Games could generate more than Ł32 billion in tourism revenue over the next decade
Mintel | 2008

2012 and London



The Olympic and Paralympic Games in 2012 will be an essential part of the long-term plans for London. Having absorbed the equivalent of the population of Sheffield in the last 15 years, London is expected to expand by the equivalent of the population of Leeds over the next decade.

A London Plan has been formulated to make sure that this expansion doesn’t encroach on existing green areas, and that the quality of life of Londoners is maintained and improved. The changes necessary for a successful Olympic and Paralympic Games are all consistent with the wider long-term plan for London. The regeneration of the East End - which will reclaim contaminated land for housing and a park area - is a huge project. It will not only generate 9,000 new homes, but also create even more public green space for Londoners to enjoy.

• It is estimated that London’s GDP will increase by Ł5,900 (million) between 2005 and 2016
• The Olympics provide the city with an opportunity to promote itself to the international business community and attract additional investment from overseas
• Between 2005 and 2016 the gross value added to the tourism economy in the UK is forecast at Ł518m and in London at Ł244million,9,000 new homes will be built in turn leading to schools, health facilities and new communities being created,Parklands will be restored and enhanced restoring the recreational and ecological role of the Lower Lea Valley,It is estimated that an additional 8,164 full time jobs will be created in the UK and a further 38,875 created in London,Up to 70,000 volunteer positions will need filling for the duration of the actual events

source:
http://www.esadvertising.co.uk/en/1/2012profile.html

[arista]

The Old Match Factory Tower
is the High point.

One Resident on Ch4News
just claimed his High Flat could be a target.


But with Fighter Jets ready
they are safe.


Also they may be Dummy Missiles


Who ever Attacks
will be Killed fast
and that is Fair.

[Kizzy]

Pfft... I dont believe it, they mean when they have shipped all the benefit claimants to sheffield and leeds... haha

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

For anyone who actually wants to discuss or consider the immediate and the long term benefits if all goes to plan.:

http://www.<b>esadvertising</b>.co.u...12profile.html

The "article" is a marketing ploy by and for vested interests .....