[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm not going to call you any names, I beleieve in respecting opinions no matter how odd they seem to me...but can you answer one question?

How does a 8 month old baby 'provoke' their mother to beat them?

I could understand a bit more if you were talking about...say a 13 year old...though I still dont agree with violence against children...but no way can a baby provoke a reaction like that

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

****ing unbelievable

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

Beating ANYONE is never acceptable especially a child.

She also did it infront of 2 other children who wernt upset so were obviously used to seeing it and the lady filming it and yet doing nothing needs some nice time behind bars.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

Except that's the whole point, babies can't be disobedient, they observe the world and respond to everything around them. They are not yet able to think of their own behaviour.

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Redway

Disobedience, really. I know the majoroty of you won't agree, but parents do have different levels of tolerance. Maybe I was wrong in saying that was totally fine and perhaos upon hindsight and re-watching that clip the baby dodn't deserve that...BUT parents do have only so much they can cope with and I did say that if it was a random attack she deserves the beating, really, but if the baby was really getting on her nerves ansd she broke down for a few minutes, I can understamd her actions. Maybe some cpunselling for her's needed in that case. But if the baby didn't do owt, I completely get the negative reaction and would have no sympathy for her, either.

[Ammi]

..I think I understand what you were trying to say Redway..I might not agree with it but I think I understand...
..I don't think it came out as how you meant it though so people's responses were never going to be good..because what that woman did to that baby is shocking and it's hard not to get emotive about something like that..

..anyway age of the baby aside..my opinion is that a child could never 'provoke' an adult into behaving in that way..the child holds no responsibility whatsoever for the low tolerance or reaction of adults....

..but at least I do know where you're coming from..even if I don't agree