[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends how you define wronged really. Not an occasional smack..though I dont agree with smacking kids at all...but when its purely for the pleasure of the adult dealing the pain, and they seem to enjoy doing it, and its to extremes such as this, yes.

People get banned from keeping pets for less. And I see a child as a bit more important than a pet.

There's a difference between a ban and a surgical operation though. You could easily ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they're abiding by such restrictions.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niall

There's a difference between a ban and a surgical operation though. You could easily ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they're abiding by such restrictions.

The ONLY way to do that would be to lock them up for life.

Which I would also be happy with. Unfortunately we dont do that and give them paltry sentences like 18 months.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The ONLY way to do that would be to lock them up for life.

Which I would also be happy with. Unfortunately we dont do that and give them paltry sentences like 18 months.

I disagree that its the only way but fair enough if thats your view.

Yeah I agree sentences should be harsher but with prisons as overcrowded as they are I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I disagree that its the only way but fair enough if thats your view.

I'm actually intruiged...what other ways could you ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they are doing it without having them under 24 hour surveilance?

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm actually intruiged...what other ways could you ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they are doing it without having them under 24 hour surveilance?

Send a social worker (or someone of a similar occupation) a few times a week unannounced?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Send a social worker (or someone of a similar occupation) a few times a week unannounced?

How would that stop them? They could just have sex with some randomer while the social worker wasnt there...

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How would that stop them? They could just have sex with some randomer while the social worker wasnt there...

Well if it were a woman it'd be easy to see if she was pregnant or not and had violated her ban. She's start showing eventually.

If its a man? Well I'm stumped.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Send a social worker (or someone of a similar occupation) a few times a week unannounced?

How is that stopping them conceiving a child though?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Niall

Send a social worker (or someone of a similar occupation) a few times a week unannounced?

Pfft what an un thought out simplified way of thinking.

Sending a social worker around a few times a week is not good enough as seen in the Baby P incident.

Yes she has the right to get pregnant but then that baby should be taken away from her as soon as its born for its own safety. In my opinion she has no right to have full custody of any further children as she is a threat!