[Toxic]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

I'm asking YOU, who said to Redway "You can't disagree". He, and everyone else, has every right to disagree. That's my point.

You have opened a thread welcoming all opinions, so don't tell people they can't disagree.

But you can't disagree with gay people, it's an impossibility, gay people are a fact of life.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

Isn't that what you're doing?

Not at all.

I posted my views, you posted yours, then I told you I disagree, you told me you disagree, and it continues.....because it's a DEBATE.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Toxic, if you don't want our opinions then don't make this sort of thread because that's what we're here to do.

Also, don't try and defend the indefensible. lostalex's behaviour was completely unacceptable and childish.

I 100% agree with you.

And Toxic, I haven't seen one member on here being ignorant about gay people, and I know that there are groups out there hurting gay people just because they are gay, and I agree that they are just as bad as the KKK but that wasn't the point given to Lostalex, the point given to Lostalex was that some people like gay people but don't understand homosexuality which Redway was fairly pointing out.

Then we move onto Lostalex's rudeness to Niamh for only pointing out what's the difference between Marriage and Civil Partnership, tbf not everybody knows the in's and out's of Civil Partnership yet Lostalex went on a weird rampage saying it's marriage in God's eyes but not in the Governments.

[Toxic]

I'm happy to see that the majority of people on the forum agree with gay marriage, 93.18%

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

But you can't disagree with gay people, it's an impossibility, gay people are a fact of life.

Rubbish.

I have friends who disagree with what gay people do but have no issues with the people and I have immense respect for them. As long as they're not hating on someone because they disagree with what they do I don't see the problem.

As has been mentioned to you over and over again, no one's disagreeing with gay people being gay. What some people disagree with is what they do, not who they are. Do I have to spell it out for you?

And DO you actually read people's posts or just decide to totally ignore them and keep spouting the same nonsense?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I 100% agree with you.

And Toxic, I haven't seen one member on here being ignorant about gay people, and I know that there are groups out there hurting gay people just because they are gay, and I agree that they are just as bad as the KKK but that wasn't the point given to Lostalex, the point given to Lostalex was that some people like gay people but don't understand homosexuality which Redway was fairly pointing out.

Then we move onto Lostalex's rudeness to Niamh for only pointing out what's the difference between Marriage and Civil Partnership, tbf not everybody knows the in's and out's of Civil Partnership yet Lostalex went on a weird rampage saying it's marriage in God's eyes but not in the Governments.

I just read what he said to Niamh, and I agree it was wrong, because he/she was simply asking an innocent question.

But people have been ignorant, but you can't see the comments because they got deleted.

[Stu]

So much stupid. Everywhere.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Yep.

Some members have been using the argument that it's alright to disagree with homosexuality - which it isn't because being gay is something people are born with, it's the same as being born with brown/blonde/ginger hair.

Other members have posted down right offensive stuff, such as saying "gay marriage is for fags" and "I think gay people are cute with their little pugs because they can't reproduce.....don't blame me, blame god".

I haven't once seen any posts like that on this thread so don't make up stuff.

And i've known loads of people that hate gingers as they get called by some of my friends.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Not at all.

I posted my views, you posted yours, then I told you I disagree, you told me you disagree, and it continues.....because it's a DEBATE.

No, you told me that I cannot disagree with what gay people do.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT, TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

First of all, I have no issue with what gays do - but others do, which, again, is fine.

You're telling people that their views are wrong and you're wrong, mate. Get it?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

Rubbish.

I have friends who disagree with what gay people do but have no issues with the people and I have immense respect for them. As long as they're not hating on someone because they disagree with what they do I don't see the problem.

As has been mentioned to you over and over again, no one's disagreeing with gay people being gay. What some people disagree with is what they do, not who they are. Do I have to spell it out for you?

And DO you actually read people's posts or just decide to totally ignore them and keep spouting the same nonsense?

So it's OK to be gay, but acting on it is something which is allowed to be disagreed with -that is 'rubbish'.

"Oh hi black man, I accept that you are black, but if you walk around in public showing your black skin I will have to disagree with that" - that scenario is as ridiculous as what you pointed out.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I haven't once seen any posts like that on this thread so don't make up stuff.

And i've known loads of people that hate gingers as they get called by some of my friends.

Ermmmm those comments were not made up at all, they were deleted last night when I first made the thread.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, you told me that I cannot disagree with what gay people do.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT, TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

First of all, I have no issue with what gays do - but others do, which, again, is fine.

You're telling people that their views are wrong and you're wrong, mate. Get it?

It's fine to bigots yes, but to people who believe in equal rights for all it's totally disgusting.

[bbfan1991]

Yes if two people are in love regardless of being the same sex they should be allowed to get married because everyone is supposed to be equal.

I can understand that some religions and their families will obviously disagree.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

So it's OK to be gay, but acting on it is something which is allowed to be disagreed with -that is 'rubbish'.

"Oh hi black man, I accept that you are black, but if you walk around in public showing your black skin I will have to disagree with that" - that scenario is as ridiculous as what you pointed out.

That's not what I'm saying. I said that there are people who disagree with homosexuality but have no problem with the people. How many more times do I have to explain this to you? It's there for you in black and white - now piss off and use your head before you start talking more nonsense.

[Toxic]

And I accept that there will always be people who disagree, but their personal views shouldn't stop it from being made legal.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, you told me that I cannot disagree with what gay people do.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT, TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BELIEVE.

First of all, I have no issue with what gays do - but others do, which, again, is fine.

You're telling people that their views are wrong and you're wrong, mate. Get it?

The thing is, is that gay people don't like being told that being gay is wrong (which I can understand as imo it isn't wrong) but yet won't let people have there opinions on gay being wrong despite Toxic opening up the topic themself.

I don't get how that makes any of us ignorant or homophobic.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Toxic

So it's OK to be gay, but acting on it is something which is allowed to be disagreed with -that is 'rubbish'.

"Oh hi black man, I accept that you are black, but if you walk around in public showing your black skin I will have to disagree with that" - that scenario is as ridiculous as what you pointed out.

BUT ... BLACK PEOPLE!

Homosexuals don't have to engage in homosexual acts though. Black people sort of do have to engage with the act of being black.

I'm not saying they should abstain ... I enjoy a bit of cock sucking myself ... but fuck a duck. The race comparisons have well and truly jumped the shark. Can we make them a bannable offense?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Redway

That's not what I'm saying. I said that there are people who disagree with homosexuality but have no problem with the people. How many more times do I have to explain this to you?

I totally get what your saying, but surely you must see how wrong that is?

You can't like a person but then not like their sexuality, it's part of who they are.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toxic

And I accept that there will always be people who disagree, but their personal views shouldn't stop it from being made legal.

I agree but I don't get how it can compare to the KKK beating and killing black people, afterall it's not like black people can change skin colour is it.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I agree but I don't get how it can compare to the KKK beating and killing black people, afterall it's not like black people can change skin colour is it.

Spoiler:

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toxic

I totally get what your saying, but surely you must see how wrong that is?

You can't like a person but then not like their sexuality, it's part of who they are.

That statement is wrong as it's only one aspect of there personality.

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Stu

Homosexuals don't have to engage in homosexual acts though. Black people sort of do have to engage with the act of being black.

I'm not saying they should abstain ... I enjoy a bit of cock sucking myself ... but fuck a duck. The race comparisons have well and truly jumped the shark. Can we make them a bannable offense?

Being gay is not a choice, and you just implied it is which is ridiculous. You have as much say over what your sexuality is as someone does over their skin colour, so the comparisons are appropriate. Also, racial groups experience the same social bigotry as the LGBT community so again, the comparisons are appropriate.

Homosexuals do have to act on it because they are HOMOSEXUAL, that's what they are so why would they not act on it? Would a straight person not have sex with a woman or a man? No.

Being gay is not a choice, if it were, there would be no gay people. Who would choose such a hard life?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toxic

Yep.

Some members have been using the argument that it's alright to disagree with homosexuality - which it isn't because being gay is something people are born with, it's the same as being born with brown/blonde/ginger hair.

Other members have posted down right offensive stuff, such as saying "gay marriage is for fags" and "I think gay people are cute with their little pugs because they can't reproduce.....don't blame me, blame god".

No. You asked for an opinion on gay marriage.
As for being born gay, that's a different debate altogether. One which I disagree with you on.

Originally Posted by Toxic

But you can't disagree with gay people, it's an impossibility, gay people are a fact of life.

What? Just like people can't like black people? Homophobia and racism is also a fact of life. Horrible, but true.

Originally Posted by Toxic

Not at all.

I posted my views, you posted yours, then I told you I disagree, you told me you disagree, and it continues.....because it's a DEBATE.

No. You told Redway he wasn't allowed to disagree.

But, either way, that kind of attitude is wasted on Redway. He's said several times he himself has no problems with gay people or gay marriage. He's discussing people that do.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toxic

I totally get what your saying, but surely you must see how wrong that is?

You can't like a person but then not like their sexuality, it's part of who they are.

No, it ain't. You can disagree with what someone does and still like the person. I don't agree that my 12-year-old brother has a girlfriend already but I still love him and if you can't understand that then there really is no point in me wasting MY time explaining something to someone who's either taking the piss or really needs to pick up a book or two.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Stu

Spoiler:

Alright you've found one case.