[Mystic Mock]

Tbf they are only protecting the civilians of London incase something bad happens while the Olympics is happening because this will be the time when tourists will be visiting London the most because it's such a huge event.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Agreed, not exactly impartial is it?

It could have come straight from Tory Central Office or the Lord Mayor's Parlour .....

[lostalex]

London is also enlisting the help of how much American help for security? I hope America is sending the Uk the bill, cause there's no reason we should be paying for it. It's already been admitted by Britain that America is providing alot of the security, including an American ship off the coast of yur tiny little island. The people of the UK better be footing the bill.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by lostalex

London is also enlisting the help of how much American help for security? I hope America is sending the Uk the bill, cause there's no reason we should be paying for it. It's already been admitted by Britain that America is providing alot of the security, including an American ship off the coast of yur tiny little island. The people of the UK better be footing the bill.

Since the UK is, effectively, going on a war footing, I believe America help is still covered by the Lend-Lease Agreeement .....

[Kizzy]

The Americans will be here to protect their own...As will every other country..
coz we skint! LOL

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

thats for me to decide not you!
serious debates.lol

I decided nothing. I asked a question.

Originally Posted by Omah

Who faulted you ? I admire someone who substantiates their argument with facts, but that "article" was sheer propaganda ....

It considers projected figures and the possibility of the longer term benefits. That doesn't mean it should be ruled out.

Originally Posted by Omah

Some "terrorists" would see it as an invitation, like fortified compounds in Nothern Ireland and Afghanistan, for example.

Quite possibly : and some would consider a deterrent.

Originally Posted by lostalex

so you get involved halfway through a conversation, and when i challenge you, you have no answer., Maybe you should keep your mouth shut if you can't even answer simple questions.

How dare you act at all smug or knowledgeable when you havn't contributed ANYTHING to this conversation.

Good on you Sheriff for putting him in his place.

Deary me. Once again lostalex trolls.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

London is also enlisting the help of how much American help for security? I hope America is sending the Uk the bill, cause there's no reason we should be paying for it. It's already been admitted by Britain that America is providing alot of the security, including an American ship off the coast of yur tiny little island. The people of the UK better be footing the bill.

And once again, lostalex veers it into a USA vs UK debated.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17891223

Details of a major Olympic security exercise involving the deployment of Royal Navy ships, RAF helicopters and jets have been unveiled.

Exercise Olympic Guardian takes place on land, sea and air in the London and Weymouth areas between 2 and 10 May.

It has also been revealed that surface-to-air missiles could be deployed at six sites during the games.

Dummy missiles will be placed on two buildings in east London and four other sites as part of the exercise.

The sites, chosen from an original list of 100, include the Lexington Building in Tower Hamlets and the Fred Wigg Tower in Waltham Forest, east London.

The four other London sites identified as suitable for Rapier missiles are Blackheath Common; Oxleas Wood, Eltham; William Girling Reservoir, Enfield and Barn Hill in Epping Forest.

The Ministry of Defence has stressed that the government has not yet decided to deploy ground-based air defence systems during the Games.

Brian Whelan, a resident of one of the east London estates, said firing the missiles "would shower debris across the east end of London".

Standing joint commander General Sir Nick Parker said the decision on the missiles would be taken "at the very highest political level".

Referring to this week's exercise he said the military advice to the government "will depend on the success of that test".

Asked whether debris would fall on urban areas if a missile was fired, Gen Parker said: "I accept that this is a very, very challenging situation."

At a security briefing it was also announced this week's exercise will include:

The berthing of HMS Ocean at Greenwich, with a number of Royal Navy Lynx helicopters on board
The deployment of HMS Bulwark and other ships to Weymouth Bay and Portland Harbour
The basing of RAF Typhoon fast jets at RAF Northolt, west London
Helicopters carring snipers also based at RAF Northholt
Royal Navy airborne early warning helicopters and RAF Puma helicopters at a Territorial Army centre in Ilford, east London
The operation of fast jets and helicopters over Greater London and the Home Counties
13,500 military personnel will be involved in protecting the games

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said: "The majority of this exercise will be played out in full view of the public and I hope that it will have a secondary effect of reassuring the British people that everything possible is being done to ensure this will be a safe and secure Olympic and Paralympic Games."

The overall 23,700-strong security force for the Games includes a mix of military, private security guards and at least 3,000 London 2012 volunteers who will be used at the start of the security process.

There will be 7,500 military personnel who are set to be deployed inside venues to do screening and search tasks, largely in the vehicle search areas.

I'm sure that Londoners will be reassured that a fully-equipped combined services task force will be dominating land, sea and air space .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17891223



I'm sure that Londoners will be reassured that a fully-equipped combined services task force will be dominating land, sea and air space .....

How are you 'sure'. Have you asked all Londoners?

[arista]

"Have you asked all Londoners? "


On ITV1London News Tonight
Locals were asked and they agreed it will make everyone safer,
as so many are to be set up.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

"Have you asked all Londoners? "

Perhaps my inclusion of as an expression of irony was neither clear nor specific enough .....

Originally Posted by arista

On ITV1London News Tonight
Locals were asked and they agreed it will make everyone safer,
as so many are to be set up.

C4 News has reported that some residents are preparing to challenge the MoD and have instructed solicitors to investigate the legality of imposed weapons emplacement.

[Jamie.]

That's ridiculous. So they want to make residents feel unsafe and uncomfortable having soildiers stood there possibly with guns!? Stupid really

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

"Have you asked all Londoners? "


On ITV1London News Tonight
Locals were asked and they agreed it will make everyone safer,
as so many are to be set up.

I didn't catch the news tonight. Interesting to see a wholly different point of view from the one Omah is putting over.

'Londoners' ... as Omah referred to: will have opinions of varying degrees so nice to see one post balance out another.

Originally Posted by Omah

Perhaps my inclusion of as an expression of irony was neither clear nor specific enough .....



C4 News has reported that some residents are preparing to challenge the MoD and have instructed solicitors to investigate the legality of imposed weapons emplacement.

A serious debate on serious points, is far better addressed with good vocabularly and being able to reasonably articulate - rather than rely constantly on smileys.

Some? How many are 'some'? Two? Twenty two? Residents of where precisely? Which part of London? Within a 10 mile radius of the main event? Or residents from some outlying suburb?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I didn't catch the news tonight. Interesting to see a wholly different point of view from the one Omah is putting over.

'Londoners' ... as Omah referred to: will have opinions of varying degrees so nice to see one post balance out another.




A serious debate on serious points, is far better addressed with good vocabularly and being able to reasonably articulate - rather than rely constantly on smileys.

Some? How many are 'some'? Two? Twenty two? Residents of where precisely? Which part of London? Within a 10 mile radius of the main event? Or residents from some outlying suburb?

Oh dear, you are resorting to pedantic and petty personal attacks .....

Physician, heal thyself .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Oh dear, you are resorting to pedantic and petty personal attacks .....

Physician, heal thyself .....

No attack whatsoever - merely my observation - more pointedly, you have confirmed my observations and previous comment: that you do seem unable to debate in a reasonable and civilised fashion - as shown above.

I note you have been unable to answer or address the questions I raised. Is that because you are unable to provide an answer?

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17943864

Col Jon Campbell, Commander, Joint Ground Based Air Defence, spoke to the BBC to explain how the Rapier missile system might be used to counter an aerial security threat.

That system seems to have mind of its own .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No attack whatsoever - merely my observation - more pointedly, you have confirmed my observations and previous comment: that you do seem unable to debate in a reasonable and civilised fashion - as shown above.

Pot - kettle - black .....

I note you have been unable to answer or address the questions I raised. Is that because you are unable to provide an answer?

No, it's because you prefer to get personal and I don't .....

[arista]

Yes Ch4News
and ITV1London tonight will feature this.
Media were there today with the Troops on the Hill.

If a Plane Comes over the sky
they will get orders from the PM to Shoot it down.
As it will be a No Fly Zone area.


Like 9/11
they had no idea
until after the Evil Deadly Planes attacked
the twin towers.



Life In The City.

[arista]

On Now ITV1 London


Blackheath Common Live


They are Great Missiles
able to stop Enemy Aircraft.

locals say its OK

[arista]

Live on Ch4News now

[Kizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17891223

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18690861

Ground-based air defence systems will be sited at six locations in and around London during the Olympic Games, despite opposition from residents.

The missiles - including rapier and high-velocity systems - will be in place from mid-July, the MoD confirmed.

Plans also include the use of helicopter carrier HMS Ocean, which will be moored in the River Thames.

RAF Typhoon jets will be stationed at RAF Northolt, and Puma helicopters at a Territorial Army centre in Ilford.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said the ground-based air defence systems were "just one part of a comprehensive, multi-layered air security plan" which would provide "both reassurance and a powerful deterrent".

They would go ahead despite objections from a "small number of activists," he said.

"We have undertaken a wide programme of engagement with the communities affected, involving relevant local authorities, landowners, MPs, council leaders, and community meetings.

"These have shown that, while people understandably have questions and concerns which we have sought to answer, broadly speaking communities are supportive of our work."

Some 100 sites were considered as locations for ground missiles, before this was narrowed down to the six final sites which were deemed to offer the best possible protection to the Olympic Park and surrounding area against any air threat.

The sites, and the specific systems to be deployed at them, are:

Lexington Building, Fairfield Road, Bow, Tower Hamlets - high-velocity missile
Fred Wigg Tower, Montague Road Estate, Waltham Forest - high-velocity missile
Blackheath Common, Blackheath (Lewisham/Greenwich) - rapier
William Girling Reservoir, Lea Valley Reservoir Chain, Enfield - rapier
Oxleas Meadow, Shooters Hill, Greenwich/Woolwich - rapier
Barn Hill, Netherhouse Farm, Epping Forest - rapier

The plans have sparked a campaign by residents, who say 1,000 people have signed a petition in protest.

Residents of Fred Wigg Tower have also launched legal proceedings against the missiles' siting.

Solicitors instructed by the residents' association said their challenge is set to reach the High Court on 9 July.

Responding to the MoD's confirmation of the plans Chris Nineham, 49, from Bow, who is part of the Stop the Olympic Missiles campaign said: "This is a decision that flies in the face of good sense and also the opinions and feeling of the people who live in the area."

"Sitting missiles on housing estates makes people feel a lot less secure."

A decision based on the threat level as to whether the systems will remain throughout the Paralympics - from 29 August until 9 September - has yet to be made.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "The government has reserved the right to extend the airspace restrictions, and the deployment of military assets, including ground based air defence, if an assessment of the threat level warrants it."

Overkill ..... or it will be when shrapnel starts falling from the skies .....

[Me. I Am Salman]

I live in Tower Hamlets

[Me. I Am Salman]

I feel sorry for the residents of Mile End, there was a lot of excitement when Team USA announced their training base will be there, but now the Olympics Committee go and drop this bombshell

[Z]

I'd just like to refer to the Olympic Games in Munich as one perfectly good example for why security measures should be taken. It's a hugely important international event. They wouldn't install such measures if they didn't think they were necessary.