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Originally Posted by lostalex
no, I would love to work and have a CAREER and provide for myself.
Taking any old JOB that you can get, i don't think anyone wants that. Obviously everyone wants and needs money though. I was pointing out that just because you CAN get a job doesn't mean that you WANT to get a job, and just because you HAVE a JOB, doesn't mean that it's always worth it, especially since a lot of these JOBS you are talking about don't even pay a living wage or provide any kind of decent lifestyle that makes it worth the miserable work.
A lot of the JOBS you are talking about them being able to get are just JOBS, and offer no CAREER potential at all. so they are a waste of time. People don't want a JOB, they want a CAREER.
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Your very first quote on this thread completely contradicts your change of stance.
A career can only come through having a job and starting off - that's a very good way start to build on a that and decide if that's the career you may want.
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Originally Posted by Dezzy
There's a world of difference between your situation Pyramid and the situation facing the largest demographic of the unemployed which is the younger folk just fresh out of Education and looking for that first job.
It's a cruel circle for younger people at the moment because a lot of places require experience but there's few opportunities to gain any since most employers will opt for someone with experience rather then a fresh candidate. The typical first job roles are highly competitive and there's few opportunities for the more specialised careers.
On the other hand you've probably been working for years and have a wealth of experience and references to back it up. Your situation is incomparable to that of younger people in this economical climate.
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I don't disagree with you in all fairness Dezzy - there is some validation to what you've said but I never at any point said my situation was comparible (or not) to those far younger than I.
I also made clear reference to several others that I worked with who also gained employment very quickly ...... a few of them being in their early twenties (23) , some in their 30's and old me in my late 40's - I'd say that was a good all round example. However, there are plenty of people who aren't just out of education, who do have experience for plenty of jobs that could suit them - if they so wanted - as I've explained.
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Originally Posted by Chewy
What happens to people fresh out of school with no experience? It's all well and good saying you and your workmates found new jobs, but you probably have a lot more on your CVs than some young school leaver.
I actually have a job btw, I just think its a little unfair claiming that its so easy to get a job.
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See above - I don't necessarily disagree in respect of immediate school leavers etc: but again: it depends on how keen the person is to work - ie: work to start with regardless if it's what they intend to keep doing - or take some work to look for their preferred option in the interim.
I think it is fair to say it is so easy to get a job - when I and others in the same boat as me all managed to obtain new positions within a few short weeks. As far as I have experience only last month - 5 people all being made redundant - all secured other postion very quickly: that's the reality of it - so I am guided by has actually happened.
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Originally Posted by kizzy
There is obviously, I meant that there are other means to access goods and services now is all..
Online....
Call centers and warehouse staff to replace a skilled retail sector eh?..great
Seeing as we are discussing the 'high street' I would say that includes customer facing roles yes.
childcare and travel costs? time is not the only constraint.
Is childcare while you are unemployed to attend these courses also free?
Work for your benefits?...Makes you wonder how there are any jobs doesen't it...if you have the unemployed taking the positions of people who REALLY want to work 
Where do you get the notion that those who are not in work DON'T want to work?...I cannot understand your thinking here pyra honestly. |
You may be discussing the 'high street' Kizzy... I am not - retail does not mean 'high street' only.
You do realise Kizzy the amount of people who work, who have children who require childcare, and do not have their own mode of transport - there are tens of thousands who are able to have children, no car and work. It doesn't hamper them any in finding work.
Skilled retail sector?? ...
Perhaps if you expanded on what particular 'specialist retail skills' that you are referring to that make it so very difficult to secure employment with such a sector? It must be highly specialised that it invalidates all possible other invovlment within the retail world.
Or does this revert back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread in general: about people who are unemployed - just being far too selective, being far too fussy in the type of work they are prepared to do? It's a valid question.
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Originally Posted by Dezzy
Retail's incredibly competitive at the moment since it's everyone's go to option. I remember being told by an advisor around a year ago not to bother with retail unless you have experience since Entry level jobs in the sector are just heavily applied for by everyone and more often then not it tends to be a matter of luck getting a job a shop.
That might only apply to my area though since Retail is definitely the main work option where I live.
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Something may be competitive but that does not make it elusive or exclusive. The old thing of Saturday jobs / weekend work being a great starting point to gain experience with people, in customer facing roles, handling cash, stock etc is as valuable a training (and earning) role - now as much as it was when I first began work. I began my working life in retail - in the bill collection counter in my local electricity shop..... moved on from taking money from people paying their electricity bills to being offered full time work and so it continued - all from a Saturday job.
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Originally Posted by kizzy
If you have no ties and transport then yes.
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I fail to see how having children and no transport prevents a person from working - it does not stop thousands upon thousands of others from getting work - perhaps you can explain how all of those thousands of others manage to work with no car and children.
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