[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It doesn't have to be - considering I did not say that.

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

A conclusion is not bizarre when the facts speak for themselves - my own and my colleagues situation being our facts and this experience is what I base my comments on.

How many of your friends are looking for permanent work whilst signing on - vs how many of them have taken on temp work / short term work while they look for perm positions?.

Perhaps if you could provide that sort of information rather than just saying they are finding it difficult to get jobs.....it might validate your own arguement somewhat.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

A conclusion is not bizarre when the facts speak for themselves - my own and my colleagues situation being our facts and this experience is what I base my comments on.

How many of your friends are looking for permanent work whilst signing on - vs how many of them have taken on temp work / short term work while they look for perm positions?.

Perhaps if you could provide that sort of information rather than just saying they are finding it difficult to get jobs.....it might validate your own arguement somewhat.

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Redway

BUT ... OTHER PEOPLE!

Saying you and all your five friends have jobs is not empirical evidence to then go on to say that it's supposed to be easy finding jobs. Completely anecdotal.

Originally Posted by Redway

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

Originally Posted by Redway

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

I agree ..... many factors can determine personal employment status - sometimes, it's just serendpity .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

I agree ..... many factors can determine personal employment status - sometimes, it's just serendpity .....

And sometimes, it's having the right attitude. Sometimes it's being in the right place at the right times. Sometimes it's applying for roles that are within your capabilities and not above or below. Sometimes it's targetting the right companies.

Lots of reasons for being able to find work.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

And sometimes, it's having the right attitude. Sometimes it's being in the right place at the right times. Sometimes it's applying for roles that are within your capabilities and not above or below. Sometimes it's targetting the right companies.

When your "luck" changes, I'll bet you won't be boasting then .....

I worked in the Insolvency Service for a while and dealt with hundreds of previously well-employed people who lost their jobs/businesses through no fault of their own and who had to seriously downgrade their lifestyle ..... I also worked for the DWP on DLA - again, life-changing injuries and illness can happen to anyone (there are over 3m claimants) - if there is anything that my jobs have taught me, it's not to be patronising or smug about employment .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

When your "luck" changes, I'll bet you won't be boasting then .....

I worked in the Insolvency Service for a while and dealt with hundreds of previously well-employed people who lost their jobs/businesses through no fault of their own and who had to seriously downgrade their lifestyle ..... I also worked for the DWP on DLA - again, life-changing injuries and illness can happen to anyone (there are over 3m claimants) - if there is anything that my jobs have taught me, it's not to be patronising or smug about employment .....

You make your own Luck Omah....

Who's being patronising or smug..... it's called a discussion based on factual experience.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Omah

When your "luck" changes, I'll bet you won't be boasting then .....

I worked in the Insolvency Service for a while and dealt with hundreds of previously well-employed people who lost their jobs/businesses through no fault of their own and who had to seriously downgrade their lifestyle ..... I also worked for the DWP on DLA - again, life-changing injuries and illness can happen to anyone (there are over 3m claimants) - if there is anything that my jobs have taught me, it's not to be patronising or smug about employment .....

great post.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i find nearly all of your threads or posts are on the arrogant side!
you got a job and so did others in your previous company and thats great.
but you make out every one else are not trying or looking!
in some interveiws there are 60 people applying for the same job.

If you find my threads or posts so unpleasant: then you have a choice whether to participate or not - but please refrain from coming onto the thread with no other intention other than to deliberately insult me. 'Thanks.

I've placed comments based on what I've found to be the case in respect of job hunting and the old argument about it being so hard to get a job....when I & others have not found that to be the case - proving that it's not as difficult as it's made out to be. (and some will (rightly) take the view that it's not that easy either:..... that's not my experience).

Originally Posted by Redway

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

Correct, that's my personal experience and that's why I am discussing it - thus it is far from bizarre - unless you regard the concept of gaining employment very quickly a bizarre concept !!

I see you have avoided my question Redway: how many of your friends that you said are finding it so hard to secure perm employment are just signing on......whilst 'looking for work'..... and how many have taken up short term or temp work in the interim - while they try to secure more perm work that they would ideally want to be doing?

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If you find my threads or posts so unpleasant: then you have a choice whether to participate or not - but please refrain from coming onto the thread with no other intention other than to deliberately insult me. 'Thanks.

I've placed comments based on what I've found to be the case in respect of job hunting and the old argument about it being so hard to get a job....when I & others have not found that to be the case - proving that it's not as difficult as it's made out to be. (and some will (rightly) take the view that it's not that easy either:..... that's not my experience).



Correct, that's my personal experience and that's why I am discussing it - thus it is far from bizarre - unless you regard the concept of gaining employment very quickly a bizarre concept !!

I see you have avoided my question Redway: how many of your friends that you said are finding it so hard to secure perm employment are just signing on......whilst 'looking for work'..... and how many have taken up short term or temp work in the interim - while they try to secure more perm work that they would ideally want to be doing?

No, it's bizarre and completely stupid, just like this thread. Absolutely stupid and illogical. I know you and your friends have jobs. That's not illogical and I accept that; what's illogical is thinking you can speak for the whole nation based on 6 people.

As for the BIB ... quite a few actually. In fact I know a few people unemployed who had been previously employed, having a permanent position.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

No, it's bizarre and completely stupid, just like this thread. Absolutely stupid and illogical. I know you and your friends have jobs. That's not illogical and I accept that; what's illogical is thinking you can speak for the whole nation based on 6 people.

As for the BIB ... quite a few actually. In fact I know a few people unemployed who had been previously employed, having a permanent position.

Redway, please try to be a little less rude, there really is no need for it.

I didn't ask if you knew people who are unemployed, who had previously been employed having had perm positions.

I asked how many of your unemployed friends who are currently looking for work whilst signing on - vs how many are looking for perm work whilst doing some form of temp work.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Redway, please try to be a little less rude, there really is no need for it.

I didn't ask if you knew people who are unemployed, who had previously been employed having had perm positions.

I asked how many of your unemployed friends who are currently looking for work whilst signing on - vs how many are looking for perm work whilst doing some form of temp work.

Oh no madam Pyramid*. I just felt like showing up your illogical and unsuported conclusions and theories, you know?