[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its not for you to decide that thousands of frail sick confused vulnerable people may die at the hands of an incompetent, or abusive, or corrupt member of staff or family member. My concern is for the innocent victims of such a law. People already murder for money the world over, all we are doing is making it easier for them. people also die in hospitals from neglect, all we are doing is making it easier to cover these failures up.

You also state, getting better isnt on the cards, so kill them off? dont give recovery a chance>? wheres theres life theres hope. Many thousands of people have lived for years way beyond their doctors predictions and expectations. this demand for making it easier to kill yourself is based wholly on pessimism and totally ignores the fact thousands probably millions are not receiving the medical treatment they need and deserve in the UK. I prefer to look at more optimistic ways of improving life, sustaining life and reducing pain.


Its a similar argument preventing capital punishment in the UK, too many innocent people may suffer as a result of such a law. Its too late once an innocent person has died through negligence or deliberate foul play.

Why should they want to recover, though? If they were really in that much pain why not let them do what they want?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why should they want to recover, though? If they were really in that much pain why not let them do what they want?

some may want to recover yet be ignored, some will be too confused or sick and frail to even speak and explain if they want to live and go home. people with dementia say they want to die 50 times a d\ay, then the next day theyre happy as larry, eating and chatting....the human mind and body is unbelievably complex, then throw in old age and medication and it becomes almost impossible to decipher what exactly people really mean... if just 1 innocent person dies as a result of this law legalising euthanasia, then it wouldnt be worth it. sadly lots of frail innocent people would die unnecessarily. we need to work on hospices, we need to study the dnr programme closer, we also need to radically improve our entire nhs. the improvements are not just down to money, its down to structure, management, prioritising the use of scanners and tests and its about the moral code of the nhs and every single person who works within in. as a society its also about us respecting the nhs too

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by the truth

some may want to recover yet be ignored, some will be too confused or sick and frail to even speak and explain if they want to live and go home. people with dementia say they want to die 50 times a d\ay, then the next day theyre happy as larry, eating and chatting....the human mind and body is unbelievably complex, then throw in old age and medication and it becomes almost impossible to decipher what exactly people really mean... if just 1 innocent person dies as a result of this law legalising euthanasia, then it wouldnt be worth it. sadly lots of frail innocent people would die unnecessarily. we need to work on hospices, we need to study the dnr programme closer, we also need to radically improve our entire nhs. the improvements are not just down to money, its down to structure, management, prioritising the use of scanners and tests and its about the moral code of the nhs and every single person who works within in. as a society its also about us respecting the nhs too

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And what are you even basing all this on? How on earth does 'some may want to recover yet to be ignored' bare any contextual relationship to the argument at hand?

We're on about people who actually choose to do. Go on. You humour me in a desperate attempt to justify your ridiculous views.

And use capitals. I feel like getting eye surgery every time I read one of your posts.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Paragraphs...

And what are you even basing all this on? How on earth does 'some may want to recover yet to be ignored' bare any contextual relationship to the argument at hand?

We're on about people who actually choose to do. Go on. You humour me in a desperate attempt to justify your ridiculous views.

And use capitals. I feel like getting eye surgery every time I read one of your posts.

The fact you've chosen to make an issue of paragraphing, when we are talking about life and death sums up where your priorities lie.
I find your views on this matter of life and death, chilling, ruthless , ill-conceived and abhorrent. You clearly do not, nor will not take into account the obvious innocent victims who will die as a result of this law. Why do you not address that matter? Why if you claim to be so caring about people who want to die, are you not concerned about these confused frail old people, who may in fact want to live?

As for your comment, were on about people who choose to die? Have you worked with elderly people with dementia or other illnesses? Have you observed at close hand how dramatically their words and behaviour fluctuates from moment to moment, hour to hour , day to day. One day they will say, I want to die , kill me off. The next as I have already stated, but you chose to ignore (Why?) They will be happy and contented. Exactly when would you choose to get these people killed off?

I have justified wholly my views. pray justify the 100s and 1000s of abuses of this law, where innocent frail confused people find themselves murdered? Let us see if you can actually address this issue in detail to justify all this inevitable abuse. Let us see if you can do so without making any petty remarks about trivialities like paragraphing and capital letters. Let us see if you can view a matter of life and death as more important than paragraphing.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by the truth

The fact you've chosen to make an issue of paragraphing, when we are talking about life and death sums up where your priorities lie.
I find your views on this matter of life and death, chilling, ruthless , ill-conceived and abhorrent. You clearly do not, nor will not take into account the obvious innocent victims who will die as a result of this law. Why do you not address that matter? Why if you claim to be so caring about people who want to die, are you not concerned about these confused frail old people, who may in fact want to live?

As for your comment, were on about people who choose to die? Have you worked with elderly people with dementia or other illnesses? Have you observed at close hand how dramatically their words and behaviour fluctuates from moment to moment, hour to hour , day to day. One day they will say, I want to die , kill me off. The next as I have already stated, but you chose to ignore (Why?) They will be happy and contented. Exactly when would you choose to get these people killed off?

I have justified wholly my views. pray justify the 100s and 1000s of abuses of this law, where innocent frail confused people find themselves murdered? Let us see if you can actually address this issue in detail to justify all this inevitable abuse. Let us see if you can do so without making any petty remarks about trivialities like paragraphing and capital letters. Let us see if you can view a matter of life and death as more important than paragraphing.

No that just shows that I want to be able to read your posts (even if they are a load of bull) so I can make sense of them, you complete and utter Mensa-qualifying genius.

And I see you're replying to ... like ... 5% of my posts and completely ignoring the rest.

And what experience have you? Have you any evidence to prove your statements? Or are you choosing to ignore that some of these people have thought about taking their lives for years?

As for your dementia comment ... does that extend to cancer and any other severe physical impairments? Do these affect your memory and your ability to make judgements?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

No that just shows that I want to be able to read your posts (even if they are a load of bull) so I can make sense of them, you complete and utter Mensa-qualifying genius.

And I see you're replying to ... like ... 5% of my posts and completely ignoring the rest.

And what experience have you? Have you any evidence to prove your statements? Or are you choosing to ignore that some of these people have thought about taking their lives for years?

As for your dementia comment ... does that extend to cancer and any other severe physical impairments? Do these affect your memory and your ability to make judgements?

yet again you have ignored my points. I have gone into far greater detail than you on loads of areas. You have failed totally to justified a law that will help kill of tthousands of people. All you have done is try to deflect to other trivial irrelevances like paragraphs and capital letters. I have a lot of experience yes thank you. What experience do you have? What qualifies you to pronounce the whole of the UK needs a law that allows people to kill themselves? What fool proof safety nets will you put in place for all the innocents who will die as a result of this law?

[Urban Cragou]

Your English Language skills have all the accuracy and readability of a 12-year-old.

And it absolutely would not increase euthanasia rates by such a significant amount as what you're implying: people go abroad to end their lives, which debases your 'argument' even further.

If the said person is in a fit enough mental state to make such a judgement, should they not be allowed to do what they wish? After all, is it not a free country - where people are free to do what they want?

You seem to labour under the delusion of free speech, which is meant to fool flocks of sheep who cannot think for themselves into believing that somehow they have control over the whole world at the tip of their finger.

Free speech is there to allow people to do and say what they want, not to be altered into what you think it should be.

Your argument so for has consisted of:

I'm the truth and I'm so intelligent and literate that you can do whatever you want as long as I approve of it!!!

Anyway I'd stand a better chance going to the jungle and teaching a group of monkeys how to do logarithms than arguing with you.