[JTM45]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I'm sorry but that comment is naive in the extreme. Whilst I am sure that the HM's themselves wouldnt give a monkeys chuff about anything you say about them, their relatives can easily read it, people who for whatever reason are down on themselves can read it. You only have to look at the news in the last few weeks to see what effect random idiots on the internet can have on people.

How is it naive ? It's *****ing correct!
It's NOT BULLYING for god's sake!!!! Because someone's relative might be offended at someone's opinion of their relative that they read on a Big Brother discussion forum does not make it 'BULLYING'.
If you're referring to those vile people on Twitter sending rape threats then that's a completely different thing altogether and if you think that's the same as people on a BB Forum giving harsh opinions on housemates then you're the one that's 'naive'.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by JTM45

How is it naive ? It's *****ing correct!
It's NOT BULLYING for god's sake!!!! Because someone's relative might be offended at someone's opinion of their relative that they read on a Big Brother discussion forum does not make it 'BULLYING'.
If you're referring to those vile people on Twitter sending rape threats then that's a completely different thing altogether and if you think that's the same as people on a BB Forum giving harsh opinions on housemates then you're the one that's 'naive'.

I was thinking about the girl who went on ask fm and got attacked so much she hung herself. Whilst i'm pretty sure those people were just making throwaway comments as some on here do, you do not know what someones mental state is when they're reading a comment on a forum. Be it about big brother or mechanical engineering.

As i've said many times, take for example a 20 stone, friendless lonely girl who has found solace in big brother. She logs onto a forum to discuss her new found interest and is hit in the face with a 20 page thread making fun of fat people.

If you cannot see how those two situations relate, then the debate is over.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I was thinking about the girl who went on ask fm and got attacked so much she hung herself. Whilst i'm pretty sure those people were just making throwaway comments as some on here do, you do not know what someones mental state is when they're reading a comment on a forum. Be it about big brother or mechanical engineering.

As i've said many times, take for example a 20 stone, friendless lonely girl who has found solace in big brother. She logs onto a forum to discuss her new found interest and is hit in the face with a 20 page thread making fun of fat people.

If you cannot see how those two situations relate, then the debate is over.

..any one of have issues which we find very personal and find it hard to detach from but whether it be on a forum/the internet in general/media/people who are insensitive or cruel in general in real life, it's a sad fact of life...I think the OTT people who take pleasure at being cruel are disgusting and unfortunately the internet makes it easier for them to reach their victims but in general it's still a great thing to have and has much more positives than negatives, this forum isn't like ask.fm and is well regulated so someone here is as 'protected' as they can be but you can't protect from everything in life...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

For a rational mentally healthy person, of course that's true. But nobody is aware of a persons mental state. And it is for these reasons that some should reign their bile in. Or you run the very real risk of having blood on your hands.

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Less regulated? Please give me the justification for some of the pure hatred that is shown on here, a supposedly well regulated site?

..of course they're not aware of everyone's mental state but they're not responsible for it either, unfortunately people won't always say kind things otherwise there wouldn't be a discussion forum..yes, there are some cruel people who will contribute misery, whether it be on here or real life..they are the minority though and certainly on here, that's why you see the names on the ban list if they go too far..

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..of course they're not aware of everyone's mental state but they're not responsible for it either, unfortunately people won't always say kind things otherwise there wouldn't be a discussion forum..yes, there are some cruel people who will contribute misery, whether it be on here or real life..they are the minority though and certainly on here, that's why you see the names on the ban list if they go too far..

They're not responsible for it, but they can quite easily stop themselves from exacerbating the problem, when there is absolutely no need to do so. This is meant to be a friendly discussion forum for people with the same interests, and largely that is exactly what it is. I've seen people make disgusting comments and threads on here and nothing happens, the next day they are still here spouting their bile.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

They're not responsible for it, but they can quite easily stop themselves from exacerbating the problem, when there is absolutely no need to do so. This is meant to be a friendly discussion forum for people with the same interests, and largely that is exactly what it is. I've seen people make disgusting comments and threads on here and nothing happens, the next day they are still here spouting their bile.

..but you don't know nothing happens though, you're not privy to admin so you can't really say that..and also what to you might be seen as very insulting to a HM isn't necessarily breaking a forum rule because we are also here to discuss good and bad about the housemates and even they know that..of course you're going to get silly people, you do in any area of life..

..also what one person might think of as unacceptable isn't the same for everyone..I've seen some really cruel things about HMs said here in BB season but I've also seen some people being cruel about one aspect they find offensive and yet join in with something else cruel that they don't see offensive because it's not a HM they like...if anything breaks a rule and you report it then something will be done about it..but if it doesn't then unfortunately you have to try to ignore it and concentrate on your own opinions and the posters opinions you want to discuss..one of the worst things on here is attacking a member personally for their opinion on a HM unless they're obvious trolls, who won't find they're time on here very lengthy..

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..but you don't know nothing happens though, you're not privy to admin so you can't really say that..and also what to you might be seen as very insulting to a HM isn't necessarily breaking a forum rule because we are also here to discuss good and bad about the housemates and even they know that..of course you're going to get silly people, you do in any area of life..

..also what one person might think of as unacceptable isn't the same for everyone..I've seen some really cruel things about HMs said here in BB season but I've also seen some people being cruel about one aspect they find offensive and yet join in with something else cruel that they don't see offensive because it's not a HM they like...if anything breaks a rule and you report it then something will be done about it..but if it doesn't then unfortunately you have to try to ignore it and concentrate on your own opinions and the posters opinions you want to discuss..one of the worst things on here is attacking a member personally for their opinion on a HM unless they're obvious trolls, who won't find they're time on here very lengthy..

I've read the faq, rules and so on. I've also been around forums a long time. So I have a pretty good idea how these things work. In the month i've been here I don't recall one person that received an instant ban, for things that in my eyes it was the only course of action.

They receive 'infractions' instead. Which whilst a good idea I don't think really works for every situation. Example: The people that create the threads i'm talking about receive infractions for it, I received an infraction yesterday for calling someone John Tickle. Its like giving everybody a suspended sentence whether they've stolen a bag of crisps or murdered someone.

I've also been around forums long enough to know that you don't question moderator egos. So i'm gonna bail out now.

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

I was thinking about the girl who went on ask fm and got attacked so much she hung herself. Whilst i'm pretty sure those people were just making throwaway comments as some on here do, you do not know what someones mental state is when they're reading a comment on a forum. Be it about big brother or mechanical engineering.

As i've said many times, take for example a 20 stone, friendless lonely girl who has found solace in big brother. She logs onto a forum to discuss her new found interest and is hit in the face with a 20 page thread making fun of fat people.

If you cannot see how those two situations relate, then the debate is over.

I disagree, they don't relate and giving a view (whether negative and abusive) about a contender on BB on a forum (or online) directly relating to BB show and the HM's is not bullying.

Your example of a fat girl going onto a forum and seeing a 20 page thread about fat people is not bullying either as the thread and posts are not directed at her or about her. If she had an avitar of herself and people started posting insults about her and her weight then yes, that would be a form of cyber bullying.

People throw the word "bully" around far to much and too quickly nowadays. The BB housemates and their family are fully aware of what goes on with the viewers and public so should by now be able to ignore it. If not, then they should never have entered in the first place. Besides they and their family would've been warned and coached on how to handle the insults and negativity beforehand anyway.

However, once BB is over and they continue on with their lives and if they start to receive abuse and threats via their facebook or twitter etc then yes it would be a form of cyber bullying.

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Originally Posted by Marmalite

I disagree, they don't relate and giving a view (whether negative and abusive) about a contender on BB on a forum (or online) directly relating to BB show and the HM's is not bullying.

Your example of a fat girl going onto a forum and seeing a 20 page thread about fat people is not bullying either as the thread and posts are not directed at her or about her. If she had an avitar of herself and people started posting insults about her and her weight then yes, that would be a form of cyber bullying.

People throw the word "bully" around far to much and too quickly nowadays. The BB housemates and their family are fully aware of what goes on with the viewers and public so should by now be able to ignore it. If not, then they should never have entered in the first place. Besides they and their family would've been warned and coached on how to handle the insults and negativity beforehand anyway.

However, once BB is over and they continue on with their lives and if they start to receive abuse and threats via their facebook or twitter etc then yes it would be a form of cyber bullying.

If a person with said problem is able to relate to the person being criticized for their physical appearance. Of course it will effect them. Its bullying by proxy.

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

If a person with said problem is able to relate to the person being criticized for their physical appearance. Of course it will effect them. Its bullying by proxy.

What???

If a person with said problem can "relate" and then deliberately continus to read negative posts, then all they need to do is stop reading them and not go into the forum.

How the hell do you associate peoples negative and sometimes rude opinions on a forum about a contender in a reality tv game show, with someone who has deliberately gone onto a forum and then reads said negative and abusive posts as bullying???

They are completely different and, although I agree that the comments may affect them, it is in no way bullying towards them.

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Originally Posted by Marmalite

What???

If a person with said problem can "relate" and then deliberately continus to read negative posts, then all they need to do is stop reading them and not go into the forum.

How the hell do you associate peoples negative and sometimes rude opinions on a forum about a contender in a reality tv game show, with someone who has deliberately gone onto a forum and then reads said negative and abusive posts as bullying???

They are completely different and, although I agree that the comments may affect them, it is in no way bullying towards them.

Again, for a rational person that would be the sensible thing to do. But as the ask fm case shows, not everyone is able to do that. That particular case resulted in a childs death. She wasnt bullied?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Again, for a rational person that would be the sensible thing to do. But as the ask fm case shows, not everyone is able to do that. That particular case resulted in a childs death. She wasnt bullied?

Yes she was bullied. She had comments directed at her personally and these resulted in her killing herself. It is awfully sad and the perpetrators of that abuse are responsible for her death and in my mind these cowardly keyboard warriors should be found and prosecuted.

You cannot curb all peoples opinions on a forum in case someone logs on and reads something they don't want to about someone else though. As its been said, anything directed personally at a member is dealt with but we are allowed some freedom of speech surely?

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Again, for a rational person that would be the sensible thing to do. But as the ask fm case shows, not everyone is able to do that. That particular case resulted in a childs death. She wasnt bullied?

OK seriously you are starting to irriate me now.

She was attacked and abused directly. Eg. the attacks and bullying she read was directed at her and at her only!!!

She was not reading comments and abuse that others were posting about someone taking part in a ****ing reality tv show!