[Lord Of The Garden]

Originally Posted by Jimrod

Sympathy votes had nothing to do with it. All the people I know who liked Sam was because he seemed nice, likeable, genuine and had the guts to stand up to Dexter multiple times about his game playing as well as standing by his friend Callum when the other's turned on him. His looks will have got him some teen votes. No-one votes out of sympathy - X-Factor over milked that one years back.

Did Dexter get voted up to second place because he's mixed race with a 10-year-old boy's body hormone problem or are these kinds of make-up-an-excuse-for-your-favourite-not-winning threads a one-way anti-Sam thing?

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

My thoughts exactly, well said. I like him until Callum left and he continued to drip the poison Callum had fed to him. Will he now see how many lies Callum told him about many things. That was not friendship, no respect at all lying to Sam the way he did.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Garden

That's exactly why i asked the question -

Do people genuinely vote for the personality within?

Or do other outside factors (age, looks, back story etc) influence the vote?

If Sam came across as a genuinely nice person then i could understand him winning, as i could with previous 'nice' winners such as Cameron, Rachel Rice and Luke A

But i didn't think Sam was that nice.

In fact i thought he was one of the least nice people in there, hence the question as to why he really did win?

He never 'stood up' for himself as you say, because no one in there had a problem with him!
He had problems with others though and the rare times he spoke out about it, wasn't to make peace and find resolution, instead it was just him saying his bit and walking off.
Came across as arrogant and judgmental with no attempt to see both sides.

He never spoke fondly of other HMs when in the diary room, which stood out for me, especially as all the others had nice things to say about other HMs including Sam. He hardly even mentioned Callum after he left.

When he won, he never once thanked or even acknowledged his voters. Never mentioned or tipped his hat to the other HMs either. He couldn't even drop his personal grudge against Dexter, even though Dexter was very positive and supportive of Sam's win, despite Sam's continuing personal issues with Dex over the weeks.

All very unsportsmanlike and not how a nice guy usually behaves in victory. Luke A for example, had far more grace and warmth upon winning.

Sam was a quiet winner sure, but not a nice winner.

p.s. It's not a personal anti-Sam thing, i really liked him at first but i'd have felt the same if anyone else had behaved in the same way.

p.p.s. my favourites had long been evicted so i didn't mind who won in the end. But whoever won i would have expected far more sporting behaviour than was displayed by Sam.

I think any of the other 4 finalists would at least have been far more thankful, especially towards their voters.

good post and this is also how I perceived Sam. Your words sum up my thoughts. I liked Sam at the beginning but as the show went on I began to dislike him. I was especially upset with Sam when both he and Dexter were awaiting to hear the results he was clearly rude by walking away from Dexter when it was plain to see Dexter had wanted to talk to him. Even after that Dexter still didn't bear a grudge and was as you say very positive and congratulated Sam in his win. To me that is great sportsmanship. I do wonder that whilst some Sam fans perhaps chose not to see this or if any would actually agree on that part. I would have respected Sam much more had he been more of a sportsman whilst awaiting the results instead he went out of his way to ignore Dexter. That is rude. I wish Sam fans would stop saying we Dexter fans have sour grapes, that is not so, not in my case at least, Dexter was and always will be MY winner regardless of who took the money.

[mikkil]

Well said - I just cannot believe people believing he is nice - shows what a editing does and saying I am a charity case - not a role model for disabilities generally including the deaf