[Vanessa]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

[KingBilly]

Is bots available on the channel 5 website?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by KingBilly

Is bots available on the channel 5 website?

I think so. Speidi are on tomorrow!

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by Jack_

omg I remember that much like BB and CBB people didn't get that she WAS the show, it actually died when she left

I was actually thinking about IAC the other night and couldn't for the life of me think who was on it/who won, then Helen popped into my head and I remembered all of her amazing moments, and I spent ages trying to think of who won but I genuinely couldn't remember so I had to Google it and then I realised it was that tedious dullard Charlie Brooks and I thought 'well that explains why I can't remember her'

She has to do CBB at some point, she is like perfect

I know Helen was robbed, when she left I thought, atleast let Rosemary or Ashley win as they're entertaining... Then the dull Charlie Brooks won

[KingBilly]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think so. Speidi are on tomorrow!

I know, I literally cannot wait for them. I missed tonights though, so hopefully I'll be able to catch up tomorrow.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well, for a start I am not anti Dexter. I like Dexter. I liked him on tonight's show, and I even found the sea biscuit line funny. I didn't find Sam's comments funny. But that isn't what we were talking about, we were talking about sexism.

And we were only talking about that because some people are so blinded by their love for Dexter that they cannot see sexism when it comes out of his mouth.

Sam's comments were sexist. But they were pretty run of the mill sexist. They were very coarse, and inappropriate and not very funny. But on the same panel where someone uses the phrase 'ride her like Seabiscuit' it is bizarre that anybody would choose the lad who claimed to have an erection because a girl was pretty as sexist over the one referring to a man using a woman like a racehorse.

Women and men have to be involved for anyone to ride anyone like a race horse (I cant believe I even typed that sentence out lol) so I don't see the sexism in Dexter's comment.

[DanaC]

You don't think it's sexist because women and men have to be involved. ok. Well, not much I can say to that.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

You don't think it's sexist because women and men have to be involved. ok. Well, not much I can say to that.

So are you saying that the man involved in the act is any more or less apart of the joke?

[DanaC]

His role in that joke is one of agency and power, he is the one riding. Her role is one of submission, she is being ridden like a racehorse. Sex becomes something that is done to her, rather than something in which she is an equal participant.

[CaudleHalbard]

I'm sure the philosophical aspects were the last thing on his mind!

I'm guessing the producers encourage then to be a bit 'saucy'.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

His role in that joke is one of agency and power, he is the one riding. Her role is one of submission, she is being ridden like a racehorse. Sex becomes something that is done to her, rather than something in which she is an equal participant.

But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten.

[DanaC]

Incidentally, I am not slating Dex for making that joke. Sometimes sexist jokes are funny. Not all sexism requires outrage and anger.

I'm just observing that, to my min, that was one of the most, if not the most, sexist comments on that show tonight.

Nor am I saying that Sam was a laugh a minute golden boy. He was very coarse and crude and sexist in the way he assessed all the women according to whether or not he fancied them. But there are degrees of sexism, and to my mind Dexter's joke outstripped Sam's comments in that regard. Though Sam's were coarser and more uncomfortable to listen to.

[Videostar]

Lets just all learn to get on and stop with this hate....lets all make love.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Videostar

But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten.

Not in that joke. And maybe it would have been better had Dexter made the comment that way since the question he was being asked was whether or not she would hook up with a guy. In response he chose to make it about what the guy was going to do. He placed agency with the man in response to a question about what the woman was going to do.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Videostar

But doesn't the woman ride the bloke? forgive me, it's been a long time I've probably forgotten.

[CaudleHalbard]

The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I'm sure the philosophical aspects were the last thing on his mind!

I'm guessing the producers encourage then to be a bit 'saucy'.

I agree. I have no problem with what he said in the contextof the BOTS show. But I have no problem with it whilst recognising what the joke is founded upon.

My only problem with this whole thing, is the one sided approach to sexism. It's sexism if it's Sam, but it's not sexism if it's Dexter.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.

Gina must have had a lot on her mind.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

The difference is that Dexter had plenty of other, relevant things to say.

Sam might as well not have been there. They obviously invited him purely out of courtesy, as winner. I doubt we'll see Sam again. But Dexter could become a regular.

Gina was pretty useless.

None of that changes whether or not what he said was sexist. And again, I agree that Sam was pretty uninspiring and at times even embarrassing tonight. it's just a bit hypocritical to round on him for sexism given what Dexter had said.

Round on him for being like a fish out of water and not entertaining, sure. Round on him for being very very coarse and crude. But if rounding on him for sexism, also round on Dexter.


Personally, I'd suggest not rounding on either of them. I've heard worse than anything either of them said, out here in the real world.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Gina must have had a lot on her mind.

Perhaps, although the break up with Ecksell may have been initiated by her.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

None of that changes whether or not what he said was sexist. And again, I agree that Sam was pretty uninspiring and at times even embarrassing tonight. it's just a bit hypocritical to round on him for sexism given what Dexter had said.

Again, I just don't think you can put Dexter's joke in the same league as Sam's remarks, just like when the pair of them were in the house.

Some tried to suggest that Dexter's "rodeo" discussion with other HM's where he was explaining what that sexual practice involved was just as bad (if not worse) than Sam's rather offensive comments to women in there.

[DanaC]

Well, personally, I think a comment that boils down to 'I fancy you' is less offensive than a comment that boils down to 'you'd make a good wife because you're domesticated' which was how Dexter approached wooing the ladies


We are never going to agree on this.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well, personally, I think a comment that boils down to 'I fancy you' is less offensive than a comment that boils down to 'you'd make a good wife because you're domesticated' which was how Dexter approached wooing the ladies


We are never going to agree on this.

The praise "I fancy you" is fine, as long as it's not in a drunken semi conscious state on the last day of BB on the eve of the final and a last ditch attempt for a storyline.


Dexter was playing a role for a while in the house, he has admitted that much, so most of what he said in the early days should be discounted.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Videostar

The praise "I fancy you" is fine, as long as it's not in a drunken semi conscious state on the last day of BB on the eve of the final and a last ditch attempt for a storyline.


Dexter was playing a role for a while in the house, he has admitted that much, so most of what he said in the early days should be discounted.

Agree on both issues.

[Vanessa]

Dexter was spot on about Courtney. She's making me laugh so much on live feed!