[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I'm hearing on the news now that John Kerry is saying Assad fired the Chemical weapons from regime territory into rebel held territory. He is saying there is conclusive proof from the intelligence community.

So maybe he did, but why oh why would be do it ??

Can't get my head round the fact that he would be shooting himself in the foot in every way and by murdering so many innocent people he would be effectively signing his own death warrant.

I'm still not 100% convinced.... Just a small nagging doubt in my mind...!!!

"Just a small nagging doubt?"

I've a huge whopping doubt. Why won't they wait for the UN to determine where those chemical weapons came from???

[Nemo123]

The coalition of the willing wouldn't wait for Hans Blix to do his job in 2003. Same old same old!

[Josy]

Woman just got launched out for protesting

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

"Just a small nagging doubt?"

I've a huge whopping doubt. Why won't they wait for the UN to determine where those chemical weapons came from???

I agree they should wait for 100 % proof from UN but having just listened to John Kerry he is saying Publicly probably under oath that the US Has that proof so the UN cannot add or change anything... It's 100% done deal

So if you have whopping doubts you are effectively saying one of the most respected US politicians probably under oath is LYING...!!!!

That's a serious charge.... Or perhaps someone is lying to him, but now we are getting into dangerous territory ie secret Govt etc...

So tbh I'm not happy about Air strikes on Syria but it does look like Assad has brought this on himself....!!!

[Nemo123]

I am not at all happy that the US cannot wait for the findings of the UN, and show them to the world. Kerry hasn't done anything bad afaik, except for his dodgy Vietnam record, or is dubious a better word? Why can't the world wait? Isn't this what happened in 2003, when the "coalition of the willing" effectively kicked the UN ou before they'd done their job, before they had exposed the WoMD as a huge lie sold to the UN by other venerable US politicians, GW Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, the list of liars goes on and on.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree they should wait for 100 % proof from UN but having just listened to John Kerry he is saying Publicly probably under oath that the US Has that proof so the UN cannot add or change anything... It's 100% done deal

So if you have whopping doubts you are effectively saying one of the most respected US politicians probably under oath is LYING...!!!!

That's a serious charge.... Or perhaps someone is lying to him, but now we are getting into dangerous territory ie secret Govt etc...

So tbh I'm not happy about Air strikes on Syria but it does look like Assad has brought this on himself....!!!

"you are effectively saying one of the most respected US politicians probably under oath is LYING...!!!!"

YES I BLOODY WELL AM!

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

"you are effectively saying one of the most respected US politicians probably under oath is LYING...!!!!"

YES I BLOODY WELL AM!

I cannot believe he would deliberately lie to effectively the whole watching world, what is his reason for doing this , what could be more important to him that he would risk his career and reputation for ??

If found to be lying the way you suggest is almost impossible to comprehend. The man only has to wait a few days to get the evidence back which he says would only confirm the evidence he already has.

I do not know why he would risk everything for the same of a few days ?? Because the UN data will come out by the end of this week latest.

It doesn't make any sense...!!!

[Nemo123]

"A developed capable moderate opposition, and we know how to do that", General X at the table.
America is losing its covert war against, so now they are stepping up the game by pretending Assad attacked his own people.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I cannot believe he would deliberately lie to effectively the whole watching world, what is his reason for doing this , what could be more important to him that he would risk his career and reputation for ??

If found to be lying the way you suggest is almost impossible to comprehend. The man only has to wait a few days to get the evidence back which he says would only confirm the evidence he already has.

I do not know why he would risk everything for the same of a few days ?? Because the UN data will come out by the end of this week latest.

It doesn't make any sense...!!!

They can't wait for the UN results because Assad didn't gas his own people. This was done by rebels.

[the truth]

It can only happen through nato

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

They can't wait for the UN results because Assad didn't gas his own people. This was done by rebels.

But they're not going to start any military action until the US Congress passes a yes vote and that will not happen until at least the 9th/10th of September by which time the UN data will be available....

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by the truth

It can only happen through nato

Well thank God the British Parliament rejected it! A false flag operation and a crude one.

[Nemo123]

Senator Rubo said, without a hint of irony in his face that Assad was a supporter of Al Queada. America is arming and financing barbarians who cut peoples' heads off with 6" knieves, and set human beings alight like live torches.

[Josy]

Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 8m
Syrian Government tells French Parliament in letter that "we can work together to reach a diplomatic solution"

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[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Josy

How many people from the general public do you think are going to be killed or badly injured if these strikes go ahead though?

Not to mention the fact that if they do go ahead and attack there is a very high probability of more chemical weapons attacks too.

Just as many that are getting killed by their own people... I think if nothing is done, more innocent people will be killed. You can't talk to these terrorists and convince them to stop. You need to take action. And yeah it's sad that innocent people will be killed. i wouldn't want that to happen at all. but i think the terrorists need to know that what they are doing is not okay.

all just my opinion of course

[the truth]

I agree we must pressurise nato and the UN but the UN is merely a talking shop but we can use it to build support. then its down to NATO because we need a united stand to take action. we simply have to win popular opinion and get a strong majority on side to take action of some kind. even if it meant we reached a stage that backed syrias dictator into a corner. I just don't think we the americans and maybe the French can go it alone again. the downside would be too atrocious. we also need to finally help the Africans or else we look like oil obsessed greedy hypocrites

[Nemo123]

The counter argument goes: the rebels are losing and they need the USA to interfere on their behalf.

[Nedusa]

Why does NATO have to get involved ? It's nothing to do with NATO, why can't the Arab League send in a peacekeeping force. Also NATO getting involved would mean the UK as a senior member also having to get involved.

Looks like the UK is going to get dragged into this one way or another...!!!

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Why does NATO have to get involved ? It's nothing to do with NATO, why can't the Arab League send in a peacekeeping force. Also NATO getting involved would mean the UK as a senior member also having to get involved.

Looks like the UK is going to get dragged into this one way or another...!!!

You need numbers to justify your actions.

[Livia]

The USA backed the rebels when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in the 1980s. The CIA even trained the Mujahedeen in Pakistan. Well, that all ended well for the USA, didn't it. Afghanistan's sorted now, isn't it. Oh no, hang on...

Someone has to do something about Syria. I'm not convinced that 'someone' is either us, or the USA. Ideally, the Arab League need to take the lead on this because western countries are viewed with great distrust by the Middle East generally and I feel intervention by the west will exacerbate the situation and lead to a long, bloody conflict where no one wins and lots of people die. I live in hope that one day, the useless, overpaid, overrated twats at the UN will get off their collective arses, stop procrastinating and actually do something.

[Nemo123]

I honestly admit I don't know what's going on in the middle east. I'm guessing the Arab Spring was meant to be the Prague Spring, MKII. Only it hasn't quite worked out that way. Grand plans don't always come off because they're too ambitious. I think the Libyans are already regretting getting rid of Ghadaffi. Iraq was a wonderful country before the West West messed with it. Oil rich Benign dictators don't sit easily with the west.

[GypsyGoth]

I feel sad for the syrian people, it seems like they're being used like pawns in a game of chess.

[Nemo123]

Funny that, I'm tired and confuddled and I'm starting to wonder how Big Brother might affect the people of Syria. Of course they have nothing to do with each other but in my tired state I'm beginning to wonder.

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Funny that, I'm tired and confuddled and I'm starting to wonder how Big Brother might affect the people of Syria. Of course they have nothing to do with each other but in my tired state I'm beginning to wonder.

You mean the concept or the show? Because there was a Middle Eastern version of BB that was cancelled within days because of something.

[Nemo123]

It's just silly to think BB has anything to do with Syria, just because there's a serious discussion thread.