[GypsyGoth]

I get it, both of you hate america and americans. However I don't think you should take it out on them just because of bad choices that Obama makes. Isn't that like being annoyed at the syrian people for bad choices their leader is making?

[arista]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I get it, both of you hate america and americans. However I don't think you should take it out on them just because of bad choices that Obama makes. Isn't that like being annoyed at the syrian people for bad choices their leader is making?

No its the President and his Red Line.
Utter Fool he has become ,worldwide

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I get it, both of you hate america and americans. However I don't think you should take it out on them just because of bad choices that Obama makes. Isn't that like being annoyed at the syrian people for bad choices their leader is making?

No, I don't hate Americans on the contary I actually think Americans are in general friendlier than Europeans. Having spent time in the US what struck me the most was the slightly warped worldview they seem to have. They see the world very much through a rosy US prism. They seem to believe the hype re their nation being the absolute leader on so many fronts a vanguard for peace love, freedom and benevolence . They are to a degree politically naive and insular due lack of travel to foreign countries which would broaden their minds.

They do not see what their Govt does in their name ie 800 military bases around the world , over a Trillion dollars a year spent on defence, more than all the other nations of the world combined. The flouting of the UN, the ease with which they start one illegal war after the next to fulfill a corporate Military industrial elite's wishes . The blind allegiance to Israel and the shameful support of their murderous policies.

This is just a glimpse of what the US does but the general US public cannot see this instead seeing their politics wrapped in a bouquet of patriotism. They have no idea of the vast array of arrogant, self serving , immoral and sometimes illegal policies being pursued in their name.

I wish the general US public would wake up to all of this and reclaim their Govt and like their constitution states " by the people for the people"....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No, I don't hate Americans on the contary I actually think Americans are in general friendlier than Europeans. Having spent time in the US what struck me the most was the slightly warped worldview they seem to have. They see the world very much through a rosy US prism. They seem to believe the hype re their nation being the absolute leader on so many fronts a vanguard for peace love, freedom and benevolence . They are to a degree politically naive and insular due lack of travel to foreign countries which would broaden their minds.

They do not see what their Govt does in their name ie 800 military bases around the world , over a Trillion dollars a year spent on defence, more than all the other nations of the world combined. The flouting of the UN, the ease with which they start one illegal war after the next to fulfill a corporate Military industrial elite's wishes . The blind allegiance to Israel and the shameful support of their murderous policies.

This is just a glimpse of what the US does but the general US public cannot see this instead seeing their politics wrapped in a bouquet of patriotism. They have no idea of the vast array of arrogant, self serving , immoral and sometimes illegal policies being pursued in their name.

I wish the general US public would wake up to all of this and reclaim their Govt and like their constitution states " by the people for the people"....

This is merely some americans , mainly those who actually think fox news is a news channel. believe it or not the democrats get a stronger jewish vote than the republicans, because a lot of jews think whats happening in Israel is a disgrace and are against some of the Zionist policies. I also find americans on the whole friendlier than English people. I don't like going to many parts of England any more. that's why I left and went to Wales. Much of England, south east especially is a cold hostile mostly overcrowded concrete jungle with no identity these days.

As for americans, they hate their government and politicians even more than we do, this is partly why they fight to keep it small. Their constitution is a mere 13 pages , the new European one is 580 pages. Ours is a farce. its almost impossible to actually do business in Europe in many sectors. look at fishing, agriculture, transport etc even Gordon brown couldn't get through the new constitution, its unreadable....

The US constitution grew from the grass roots up, its smart its concise too...ironically written by scots Englishmen and Welshmen, dislillusioned by the tyranny of the English monarchy. the US system is infinitely better imho

However the US system does need serious looking at too. as you rightly say many of their foreign policies are an absolute disgrace. However I would rather question what are we doing than merely blaming the superpower. why do so many American companies succeed and so many European ones fail? thus resulting in making them so rich and powerful in the first place?

we are slaves to a Neanderthal-like socialist system of waste government interference, erosion of civil liberties. more cctv here per head in UK than anywhere on earth....the endless stealth taxes , the endless new petty contradictory laws and rules and fines in UK and Europe. all designed to pilfer more cash for the freeloading useless corrupt money grabbing politicians

we need to sort our mess if were ever to even have a presence on the world stage.....we haven't even got aiscraft carriers. our soldiers buy kit off the yanks on the battlefield, we haven't even got a military hospital...we are a disgrace yet we feel the divine right to lecture other nations on ethics? why? our empire was the worst in history? our undemocratic monarchy is still in ownership of the country? what a joke. oh lets keep them to attract American tourists? is that the height of our lowly ambitions

yes bush was a psycho, yes the tea party are mental. But what are we? we don't even make decisions were poodles who follow them regardless
we are the ones who peddled the dodgy dossier and the lies about wmd's we set up Israel as it is? the great leader we could have had was john smith a class act and one who would have skillfully avoided the heinous nightmare of blairism

this government needs to terminate some of blairs 3000 petty laws, they need to back out of Europe too..we need more common sense less petty laws and rules and stupid targets. les sstealth taxes. tighter regulation on the corporate giants and far less regulation on the little man
oh and we should terminate vat too....that pernicious tax accelerated by the so called friend of business HA HA Maggie thatcher milk snatcher is simply a tax designed to stop small people expand their businesses and for corporate sto reclaim any losses. it is the single most immoral economic decision ever made by a british government

in the meantime, we need to find out exactly who carried out what crimes in Syria....probably through nato , though we also need to win public support in the UN and the EU. no one trusts the UN much and Russia has the veto, but it can be used as a useful tool to first win the argument, which the awful blair failed to do , hence the enemy became emboldened

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

This is merely some americans , mainly those who actually think fox news is a news channel. believe it or not the democrats get a stronger jewish vote than the republicans, because a lot of jews think whats happening in Israel is a disgrace and are against some of the Zionist policies. I also find americans on the whole friendlier than English people. I don't like going to many parts of England any more. that's why I left and went to Wales. Much of England, south east especially is a cold hostile mostly overcrowded concrete jungle with no identity these days.

As for americans, they hate their government and politicians even more than we do, this is partly why they fight to keep it small. Their constitution is a mere 13 pages , the new European one is 580 pages. Ours is a farce. its almost impossible to actually do business in Europe in many sectors. look at fishing, agriculture, transport etc even Gordon brown couldn't get through the new constitution, its unreadable....

The US constitution grew from the grass roots up, its smart its concise too...ironically written by scots Englishmen and Welshmen, dislillusioned by the tyranny of the English monarchy. the US system is infinitely better imho

However the US system does need serious looking at too. as you rightly say many of their foreign policies are an absolute disgrace. However I would rather question what are we doing than merely blaming the superpower. why do so many American companies succeed and so many European ones fail? thus resulting in making them so rich and powerful in the first place?

we are slaves to a Neanderthal-like socialist system of waste government interference, erosion of civil liberties. more cctv here per head in UK than anywhere on earth....the endless stealth taxes , the endless new petty contradictory laws and rules and fines in UK and Europe. all designed to pilfer more cash for the freeloading useless corrupt money grabbing politicians

we need to sort our mess if were ever to even have a presence on the world stage.....we haven't even got aiscraft carriers. our soldiers buy kit off the yanks on the battlefield, we haven't even got a military hospital...we are a disgrace yet we feel the divine right to lecture other nations on ethics? why? our empire was the worst in history? our undemocratic monarchy is still in ownership of the country? what a joke. oh lets keep them to attract American tourists? is that the height of our lowly ambitions

yes bush was a psycho, yes the tea party are mental. But what are we? we don't even make decisions were poodles who follow them regardless
we are the ones who peddled the dodgy dossier and the lies about wmd's we set up Israel as it is? the great leader we could have had was john smith a class act and one who would have skillfully avoided the heinous nightmare of blairism

this government needs to terminate some of blairs 3000 petty laws, they need to back out of Europe too..we need more common sense less petty laws and rules and stupid targets. les sstealth taxes. tighter regulation on the corporate giants and far less regulation on the little man
oh and we should terminate vat too....that pernicious tax accelerated by the so called friend of business HA HA Maggie thatcher milk snatcher is simply a tax designed to stop small people expand their businesses and for corporate sto reclaim any losses. it is the single most immoral economic decision ever made by a british government

in the meantime, we need to find out exactly who carried out what crimes in Syria....probably through nato , though we also need to win public support in the UN and the EU. no one trusts the UN much and Russia has the veto, but it can be used as a useful tool to first win the argument, which the awful blair failed to do , hence the enemy became emboldened

Thanks Truth.... Very well constructed post in reply to mine, you expanded on a lot of the points I made and added a fair amount of background context.

Thanks for taking the time to post this .....