[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...22Fact%22%2029

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.

Martin Brunt on the DNA in 5A ,Hire car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8KYHYzvvqI

Originally Posted by Vicky.

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.

But they aren't quite as specific as people claiming foul play would have you believe. In fact, there is virtually no evidence that is ascertained from anything to do with the dogs. I was hearing last night, how one dog only detects the scent of death, and he picked it up in very specific places in a very specific way, but that's not true.

I even watched the YT clip of him searching the car, and he didn't give a 2nd thought about the car, until he was called back to it, then he suddenly found something.

There is nothing really for me to totally discount.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

But they aren't quite as specific as people claiming foul play would have you believe. In fact, there is virtually no evidence that is ascertained from anything to do with the dogs. I was hearing last night, how one dog only detects the scent of death, and he picked it up in very specific places in a very specific way, but that's not true.

I even watched the YT clip of him searching the car, and he didn't give a 2nd thought about the car, until he was called back to it, then he suddenly found something.

There is nothing really for me to totally discount.

Good for you. I wish I could be so sure, as this case wrecks my head completely.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Good for you. I wish I could be so sure, as this case wrecks my head completely.

I know. It's a real mystery.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Good for you. I wish I could be so sure, as this case wrecks my head completely.

It's not a case of being so sure, I think it's a case of not rushing to call people murderers on the basis of half lies, Chinese whispers, and the internet. I know you're not calling them murderers, you just like to continually point to things that raise doubts about their innocence.

If there was real evidence out there, the Portuguese police who seemed pretty keen on it being them at one point, would have made it happen by now. I'n not saying it couldn't possibly be them, but the moving parts involved in pulling something like this off, is certainly beyond most people.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

It's not a case of being so sure, I think it's a case of not rushing to call people murderers on the basis of half lies, Chinese whispers, and the internet. I know you're not calling them murderers, you just like to continually point to things that raise doubts about their innocence.

If there was real evidence out there, the Portuguese police who seemed pretty keen on it being them at one point, would have made it happen by now. I'n not saying it couldn't possibly be them, but the moving parts involved in pulling something like this off, is certainly beyond most people.

I don't think they are murderers, not by a long stretch. I don't think anyone actually killed Madeleine that night. I don't even think Kate had anything to do with it, nor the other friends and I fully believe they were telling the truth with their statements (that add up). I just find the abduction story so hard to believe. Especially now that Jane Tanners view of the abductor (for 6 years) has been chucked out and it appears that the last person to see Maddie was Gerry.

ETA. Basically, I think that Madeleine had an accident in the apartment soon after her parents left. Gerry found her when he did his check. Panicked like **** knowing that they would be suspects. Hid the body somewhere close knowing the alarm would be raised before long (if they were checking every half hour) then used the panic and 'searching' to get rid of the body. I believe the smiths sighting was Gerry. Considering Martin Smith originally said he was 60-80% sure the man he saw was Gerry too....

Of course I could be way off the mark, but to me this makes more sense than the abduction/failed burglary lines

The reason the case keeps being brought up by them IMO, is because the mother believes her child was abducted and obviously the father can't tell her/anyone the truth.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do any of you know McCanns deleted phone calls ,text messages before police called? why would you do that ? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

..hmm, it could be many reasons and not necessarily 'sinister' in any way...explicit texts/affair..?...anything really, but not related to Madeleine going missing .....maybe they just panicked about something else and their phones being looked at....

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..hmm, it could be many reasons and not necessarily 'sinister' in any way...explicit texts/affair..?...anything really, but not related to Madeleine going missing .....maybe they just panicked about something else and their phones being looked at....

I still think it's very odd.