[Kyle]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

I think Islam's the worst for causing conflicting problems for young people, followed very closely by Roman Catholicism. I know plenty of Muslims who get drunk, smoke weed etc and then get funny about certain things that Islam dictates that they shouldn't do... I'm not judging anyone but c'mon, if you're gonna break some of the rules, you might as well not care about the rest. This is why I'm so glad I wasn't brought up with a religion, I'd hate to feel like I was disobeying some higher power for just living how I want to live.

Just like homosexual Christians. Confuses the hell out of me. Each to their own an all that but why would you want to be part of a religious institution that doesn't like your lifestyle.


Anyway looks like M & S are taking the easy way out and saying it's their fault for not putting her in the right department. Though why you would work for a company like that if you refuse to handle certain meat items is beyond me.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

I think Islam's the worst for causing conflicting problems for young people, followed very closely by Roman Catholicism. I know plenty of Muslims who get drunk, smoke weed etc and then get funny about certain things that Islam dictates that they shouldn't do... I'm not judging anyone but c'mon, if you're gonna break some of the rules, you might as well not care about the rest. This is why I'm so glad I wasn't brought up with a religion, I'd hate to feel like I was disobeying some higher power for just living how I want to live.

how would that make sense? everyone sins, it's about doing as little unlawful things as you can and doing more good deeds than bad. no one is perfect so why would they want to worsen themselves?

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

Just like homosexual Christians. Confuses the hell out of me. Each to their own an all that but why would you want to be part of a religious institution that doesn't like your lifestyle.

do you really think it's that simple? these people are probably brought up as Christians and once it becomes such a huge part of your life it's hard to turn away. also homosexuality being a sin is just. an. intepretation. some people don't believe it's an issue, and some branches of Christianity are more accepting. and if they do believe it's an issue, then like I said to zee, everyone sins and they'd obviously try and lessen any other sinning they do

wow are you people new to religion or something?

[Kyle]

By brought up you obviously mean indoctrinated and as for interpretation it's the biggest get out of jail free card going.

Oh dear that part of the bible looks difficult to implement I'll just disregard it...

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

By brought up you obviously mean indoctrinated and as for interpretation it's the biggest get out of jail free card going.

Oh dear that part of the bible looks difficult to implement I'll just disregard it...

You do realise how ignorant you sound? Why are atheists so critical and insulting all the time? It's so easy for you to just sit back and laugh isn't it

You have no place judging someone on their beliefs, especially when they know more about it than you do. I bet you don't even know what the verses regarding homosexuality in the bible are

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Salman!

You do realise how ignorant you sound? Why are atheists so critical and insulting all the time? It's so easy for you to just sit back and laugh isn't it

You have no place judging someone on their beliefs, especially when they know more about it than you do. I bet you don't even know what the verses regarding homosexuality in the bible are

I've see them, and it's pretty clear it considers men having sex with one another an 'abomination'.

And so you aren't allowed an opinion on organised religion unless you belong to it?

Or maybe it's cos I disagree with you and you don't like it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

and as for interpretation it's the biggest get out of jail free card going.

Oh dear that part of the bible looks difficult to implement I'll just disregard it...

That's not what it means.

It means the bible doesn't outright refer to certain things and different denominations of the church interpret something differently. Especially when it comes to the modern way of life.

How else do you think Christianity has branches off into different paths?

It's not disregarding anything it's one religion thinking something is fine and another thinking otherwise. No different to this forum where we all watch the same episode of Big Brother and come out with 100 different opinions and interpretations on it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That's not what it means.

It means the bible doesn't outright refer to certain things and different denominations of the church interpret something differently. Especially when it comes to the modern way of life.

How else do you think Christianity has branches off into different paths?

It's not disregarding anything it's one religion thinking something is fine and another thinking otherwise. No different to this forum where we all watch the same episode of Big Brother and come out with 100 different opinions and interpretations on it.

Have to say, I agree with the other guy on this, sorry. The bible is actually pretty clear on most things. Different paths have arisen largely because people - as stated - found some aspect or other of the bible "a step too far" and so they "reinterpreted" (twisted) the scripture to make it fit another worldview. Look at the origins of protestantism; largely, Monarchs not liking the fact that people considered the Pope to be a higher authority. Further branches have spun off frtom protestantiusm in both directions; more liberal to suit a worldview of increased freedom, or stricter to push certain aspects back towards scripture.

It is about convenience. It's one thing I respect about Islam; at least they (largely) follow scripture. Christian doctrine has been warped beyond recognition, validated by dubious "reinterpretations" of the written word, but all motivated by wanting their faith to fit around changing lifestyles and values.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Salman!

how would that make sense? everyone sins, it's about doing as little unlawful things as you can and doing more good deeds than bad. no one is perfect so why would they want to worsen themselves

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear - if you're happy to disregard certain rules dictated by your particular religion, e.g. drinking alcohol, then why would you kick up a fuss about e.g. not having sex before marriage? Adhering to the rules of your religion is fine, but there's this bizarre defensive logic that comes with people who are happy to disregard some aspects of their religion - so they overcompensate by being militant about other aspects. I went to school with a boy who smoked weed all the time and then he would be condescending about people getting drunk. Why not just accept that your relationship with your religion is yours and yours alone? Going off on a bit of a tangent now but my point wasn't "oh if you're going to break one rule then you might as well break all of them", it was "if you're going to break one rule then you might as well stop pretending to care about the rules and just live your life."

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear - if you're happy to disregard certain rules dictated by your particular religion, e.g. drinking alcohol, then why would you kick up a fuss about e.g. not having sex before marriage? Adhering to the rules of your religion is fine, but there's this bizarre defensive logic that comes with people who are happy to disregard some aspects of their religion - so they overcompensate by being militant about other aspects. I went to school with a boy who smoked weed all the time and then he would be condescending about people getting drunk. Why not just accept that your relationship with your religion is yours and yours alone? Going off on a bit of a tangent now but my point wasn't "oh if you're going to break one rule then you might as well break all of them", it was "if you're going to break one rule then you might as well stop pretending to care about the rules and just live your life."

oh I kinda understand what you're saying now, i dunno i guess it just makes them feel better, but yeah it's stupid and hypocritical, I haven't come across people like that though. and yeah anyone who is critical of how other people live their lives needs to mind their own business, Islam does teach to not be judgemental

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear - if you're happy to disregard certain rules dictated by your particular religion, e.g. drinking alcohol, then why would you kick up a fuss about e.g. not having sex before marriage? Adhering to the rules of your religion is fine, but there's this bizarre defensive logic that comes with people who are happy to disregard some aspects of their religion - so they overcompensate by being militant about other aspects. I went to school with a boy who smoked weed all the time and then he would be condescending about people getting drunk. Why not just accept that your relationship with your religion is yours and yours alone? Going off on a bit of a tangent now but my point wasn't "oh if you're going to break one rule then you might as well break all of them", it was "if you're going to break one rule then you might as well stop pretending to care about the rules and just live your life."

Yeah, I'm definitely not the best catholic, but I don't know. Growing up I was told certain 'rules' every day and those are the things that I wouldn't even think of breaking even today. Then there are sins that I feel nothing about, not scared or worried or disappointed. It probably just comes down to which 'rules' my family was comfortable enforcing.

And yes I agree so much that religion should everybody's own personal experience and beliefs. It loses it's entire meaning if your just following a certain set of rules, because you have to, instead of actually believing in it.