[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by mansi



what did I do? did I say something wrong?

I was joking. Sorry, didn't think! I've deleted it. Sorry!

[rayofsunshine]

Originally posted by Ruth
because she's an ignorant foul-mouthed moron.

That about sums it up.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth

I didn't say I judged her. However, my opinion of Chantelle is based on her in the house last year, and in interviews since. She seems a nice enough girl.

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Where are your facts to support that most people did want her there? There was annoyance when she went in - far more people were against it on here, and other forums than were for it.

I'm saying that they allowed racism to get viewing figures, and only stepped in when they realised the extent of the outcry about it. I'm not blaming Davina personally - she is Endemol's puppet.

I've seen Jade on a couple of quiz shows - she didn't know anyof the answers, she doesn't have any discernible talent, can't sing to the best of my knowledge. The interviews, mags, newspapers and reality shows all come under the same banner. But that is all irrelevant to the point we are discussing.

Or her manager is?

And they day that they cause a disgrace and an international incident, I hope that they do!

Well yes, that much is obvious by her desperate PR campaign (although on GMTV she said that her career was not her priority at all - funny that.)

No it isn't fact. You yourself said on another thread that we are all capable of speculation. You should not get facts mixed up with speculation. It didn't happen, so we will never know what position Jade would have been in.

And that's a good thing? It's good to be tactless?

Yes, but she conveniently forgot to mention the lipo.

What's the relevance of that to this thread?

I don't know how well it's sold. How do you know that it has helped many people? I would appreciate an answer based on fact, not speculation.

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record - how do you know what she is interested in?

See above

Can you tell us what she is doing to sort it out while she is on her PR campaign trail in India? And how do you know what she is doing?

Endemol can lie about whatever they want! (Not that I'm condoning that.)

Surprise, surprise.

I'm sorry for the persistence, but you refused to answer the question, and in fact, you have still not answered it. Do you know Jade personally or not?

Without meaning to sound rude - you can't stop people having and stating the opinion that she is racist.

Well, I won't hold my breath waiting for your 'proof'.

From watching Chantelle, from the edited footage on Big Brother, she did seem nice!

From watching Jade Goody, she seemed the opposite.

Lucky that all of us aren't blinded by edited footage on reality shows! Isn't it!!!

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The facts about Jade Goody appearing on Celebrity Big Brother in January, along with her family, is, she is the kind of Reality Show girl that the viewing public want to see.

She brings in ratings and ratings are made by people watching the programme.

The reason that rating figures increase, when a person like Jade Goody appears on there, is, that she is in demand and people want her to be there.

It is very obvious really!! That is as obvious as Facts!

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"Davina & Endemol & puppet" don't all go together.

Davina McCall is no ones puppet.

She does a job and does it well, Honesty, too.

She would NOT be doing the show for Big Brother 8 if their was going to be corruption.

You keep saying the RACISM word. I keep saying, there was NO racism, Just words which may have been construed as having racial overtones!

There is a significant difference legally! Hence, NO PROSECUTIONS!!

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Jade Goody is very talented!! She has made plenty of money too.

But, it is true, it has nothing to do with her situation today.

and she is fighting tooth and nail to clear her name and feel safe too.

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Jade Goody does have management and advisors.

Perfume and fitness & beauty is a lucrative industry and everybody makes money.

and the consumer is happy too.

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If any wealthy and successful celebrity has been wronged on a reality show or anything else.

They will always try to clear their name

Jade Goody is one of those people and that is what she is doing.

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Jade Goody DOES NOT want to retire.

However, if she manages to clear her name

The first priority is safety and if she accomplishes that, which I am sure she will.

Then, if she finds that nobody wants her? which I also doubt!

Jade Goody would start another project, which will keep her busy and also, get her name in the papers and mags.

JUST TRY TO GET HER OUT OF THE MEDIA!!

Jade Goody is a tough cookie and will stand up to this and also, a liar in a reality show.

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I don't speculate on that (Cleo) comment.

If Jade Goody had argued and made comments to (Cleo) Jade WOULD NOT be in this position!

FACTS!!!

Just like, "Dirk Benedict".

If you watched the show, you will know why I mention his name and my FACTS above.

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If Jade Goody was playing to the cameras in the Rick Waller disagreement?

It makes good viewing to some.

Also, whether it is right or not, is for many people to debate.

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If Jade Goody forgot to mention about the Liposuction?

Then she made a mistake.

She's not infallable, you know?

She can do silly things, like the rest of us.

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Fitness videos do help many people!

I don't have to please you with my answers to your questions.

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Jade is not interested in hind-sight.

Because, what has happened as happened. Her job is to repair the damage, which was not serious.

But, the Jade Hate that exists today, Jade needs to address.

Hind-sight is the past and if you go on Youtube.com

We can all see it.

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Going to India is all part of helping her children.

She has gone to the country where many were offended

she has been very generous and given a lot of money to a very worthy charity.

There will be a few which will now think that Jade Goody is much better than what they witnessed on that show.

Jade Goody's two boys were well looked after while she was there and Jade would have phoned every day too.

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Endemol cannot lie about transmitted footage.

Regarding the un-cut unedited footage.

I won't comment!!

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People have got their oppinions of Jade Goody.

They are entitled to that.

Drumming up hatred towards her, is (bullying on a massive scale) in "it's self."

JADE IS NOT A RACIST PERSON!!

There is NO proof and NO evidence!

(You are aware of the possible penalties for actual racism?)

ARE YOU?

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[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell

Finally admited that he is working for her! So what other forums did she as her team to go on and MAKE people love her?

The quote was edited from my full comment which is shown on this thread.

But just incase you can't find it or something?

Here it is again:-

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OKAY, TO YOUR PERSISTANT QUESTION!!

If I did or do know Jade Goody personally.

What Jade Goody chose or chooses to tell me, is her words from her own mouth.

Whether they are actually true?

That is another story.

However, I shall not allow the words "Racist" to be attached to her in any way.

Jade Goody is hated by many right now and it is going to get better not worse. Proof and other stuff will follow.
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[Red Moon]

General Points from reading this thread

1. Avoid using words in all capitial letters as this oftern offends other posters.

2. Avoid making posts which include comments about other members, keep your opinions of other members to yourself.

3. Avoid belittling other members and name calling.

4. Avoid posts which as designed to offend other members or are designed to start a flame war between members.

5. Discuss only the issues and keep the subject on topic

Thanks for your help

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[Lauren]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Lucky that all of us aren't blinded by edited footage on reality shows! Isn't it!!!

Many people watched BB 24/7 and came to the conclusions that Jade isn't nice. You can't explain away that in terms of editing.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
The reason that rating figures increase, when a person like Jade Goody appears on there, is, that she is in demand and people want her to be there.

People I know only watched CBB because of the controversy, not cos of Jade. Many of her other shows have been largely unpopular in contrast.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
It is very obvious really!! That is as obvious as Facts!

It's clearly not a fact.... Facts are statements that there is not a chance them not to be true. Jade was voted off BB, she is hated by millions - your statements are not facts, no matter how many times you say they are.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
She does a job and does it well, Honesty, too.

Didn't she say she disliked Jade's actions? BUT WAIT, you said Jade acted only nice in the CBB house? Hypocritical, much?

Originally posted by nodisharmony
There is a significant difference legally! Hence, NO PROSECUTIONS!!

There was no prosecutions in the Stephen Lawrence case for many years too, and that was clearly a racial hate attack. Just cos there's no prosecutions means nothing.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Perfume and fitness & beauty is a lucrative industry and everybody makes money.

and the consumer is happy too.

They can't be THAT happy if they're boycotting her products now, can they?

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody is one of those people and that is what she is doing.

Most celebrity/wealthy people don't make racist undertones in front of the general public.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody DOES NOT want to retire.

You know this how?

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade Goody would start another project, which will keep her busy and also, get her name in the papers and mags.

Again, you know this how?

Originally posted by nodisharmony
If Jade Goody had argued and made comments to (Cleo) Jade WOULD NOT be in this position!

FACTS!!!

You can't make an "if" presumption then claim it's a fact... it's not the done thing!

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Jade is not interested in hind-sight.

Do you know her personally? Has she said this outright?




FACTS!
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[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

The quote was edited from my full comment which is shown on this thread.

But just incase you can't find it or something?

Here it is again:-

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OKAY, TO YOUR PERSISTANT QUESTION!!

If I did or do know Jade Goody personally.

What Jade Goody chose or chooses to tell me, is her words from her own mouth.

Whether they are actually true?

That is another story.

However, I shall not allow the words "Racist" to be attached to her in any way.

Jade Goody is hated by many right now and it is going to get better not worse. Proof and other stuff will follow.
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And??

You said it and it isn't true. Fact.

Also with regards to, and I quote "Jade Goody is a tough cookie and will stand up to this and also, a liar in a reality show." Who are you referring to?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Lauren

Many people watched BB 24/7 and came to the conclusions that Jade isn't nice. You can't explain away that in terms of editing.

People I know only watched CBB because of the controversy, not cos of Jade. Many of her other shows have been largely unpopular in contrast.

It's clearly not a fact.... Facts are statements that there is not a chance them not to be true. Jade was voted off BB, she is hated by millions - your statements are not facts, no matter how many times you say they are.

Didn't she say she disliked Jade's actions? BUT WAIT, you said Jade acted only nice in the CBB house? Hypocritical, much?

There was no prosecutions in the Stephen Lawrence case for many years too, and that was clearly a racial hate attack. Just cos there's no prosecutions means nothing.

They can't be THAT happy if they're boycotting her products now, can they?

Most celebrity/wealthy people don't make racist undertones in front of the general public.

You know this how?

Again, you know this how?

You can't make an "if" presumption then claim it's a fact... it's not the done thing!

Do you know her personally? Has she said this outright?




FACTS!
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Many people who join forums will say that they know a celebrity.

Some will be telling the truth, however, many just make this up.

I will not say whether I know Jade Goody or not.

If I did and started saying "this-and-that" as facts. Many may not believe me. I am NOT saying anything.

All my posts are factual and many are based on words that have been said and televised or documented in the media.

When it is from Jade Goody's own mouth. You may not believe her or perhaps you do? Once again, It is debatable!!

If it is in a newspaper article or a magazine. Once again, it could be real or NOT?

I do state many obvious things.

When I said that, if (Cleo) had been treated the same as Shilpa, things wouldn't have been the same. You have the right to say that is NOT facts and you can't prove this?

I say that it is common sense to say this comment!

This whole situation in January was inflamed by the certain words and sentances which were said, that appeared to some people has having Racial Overtones.

So, on that note! I beg to be excused!!

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Now On To Your Questions!!
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The show was edited. 24 hours into 1 hour.

What was edited out, we don't know?

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You say that, people you know never watched Big Brother because of Jade Goody.

I don't doubt you!! You are probably right?

But many people do watch the show and do like Jade Goody being on there.

I like Jade Goody and was glad to see her on there!

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I accept your comment regarding facts. I was using past similar experiences on these types of shows and common sense too.

But, rightly, Facts are Facts. Point taken!

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Jade's behavior on Big Brother is there for the plain eye to see.

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The Stephen Lawrence enquiry went on a long time.

His family wanted justice and they got it.

The police welcome any complaint or complaints and shall act accordingly.

I only state what has took place between then and today.

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I was talking about December 2006 and before, regarding the Perfume sales.

On ebay, it is selling.

Buy yourself some.

A great mothers day present!

What would she say if you bought her a bottle of SHH!!

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Jade Goody is very sorry about what she said to Shilpa

Need I say more?

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Jade Goody is still quite young.

Also, it is very obvious that she is enjoying what she is doing.

Naturally she would like to continue this.

But Jade Goody is a realist too, which is evident from fans of hers, who do watch Jade Goody a lot.

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Jade Goody is NOT the type of girl to give up! Like I said earlier, if I know her? You don't have to believe me.

This is NOT a serious answer either.

Jade Goody is young and would love to continue being what she was, prior to Jan 2007

If any interviewer who meets Jade, asks her this question,

Then you will get the answer you want to hear?

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Somebody on this Forum is saying that she/he knows Jo O'Meara.

I just go with the flow and accept that as true.

I am not here to pick holes in other members.

I am here to help Jade Goody's situation and say that it is very wrong to judge Jade Goody from January's Celebrity Big Brother.

She has been very popular, up to that point an those are Facts!!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG

And??

You said it and it isn't true. Fact.

Also with regards to, and I quote "Jade Goody is a tough cookie and will stand up to this and also, a liar in a reality show." Who are you referring to?

If you can disprove "any" of the times that Jade Goody has called someone a liar in a reality show

Please DO!!!

[tinkerbell]

As Red Moon said this is going eound in circles, its not going anywhere

[Lil-Lindz]

I think she behaved the way she did in the heat of the situation

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
As Red Moon said this is going eound in circles, its not going anywhere

I agree with, "Red Moon" and "James" too.

Going round in circles is stupid!

If we can't agree, then agree to disagree!

With other forum members who have just spotted this topic, or just want to join in. It is different.

But for the members I have already answered to and just don't agree or just don't like Jade Goody full stop!

Then just ignore me. "The person who obviously is supporting Jade for the right reasons", but is also, agreeing with the mistakes she has made and trying to make some people realise that she still deserves better than what Jade and even Jo is going through now.

Danielle Lloyd has made her feelings clear to Jade Goody in Essex. So I am Not talking so much about her.

See the Article here:-

http://www.teenfi.com/tv/general/Jad...awl-30696.html

Don't try and kid yourself that it was all Jade Goody's fault!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

If you can disprove "any" of the times that Jade Goody has called someone a liar in a reality show

Please DO!!!

WTF are you talking about???

[Red Moon]

Everything has been said that can be said.

Clearly people will never agree on this subject

Topic Closed

Red