[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I'm getting so bored of this feminism crap now. They harp on about objectifying women in certain ways but men get just as objectified (Torso of the week for example in heat) yet they seem to never mention that. These feminists need learn that not every woman wants to be a sad old bitch like them.

Not an untypical male perspective - just predictable - which is exactly why feminism came to be.

Blatant attempts to ridicule and intimidate women who believe in male/female equality ie sad old bitch is what is really sad - and extremely manipulative.

And you think feminism is boring!

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Not an untypical male perspective - just predictable - which is exactly why feminism came to be.

Blatant attempts to ridicule and intimidate women who believe in male/female equality ie sad old bitch is what is really sad - and extremely manipulative.

And you think feminism is boring!

Well no, cos in this instance it wasn't (at all) a 'blatant attempt to ridicule and intimidate women' and I'm quite sure, as I mentioned previously, that the promoters of the event are mortified and wish they had taken a different approach. It was meant as a joke. Unfortunately for them they used the word slag which I agree is a very unpleasant term, but they've explained that their customers would take that as humour, and we all have differing senses of humour and they know their clientele best, so I don't think it should be made into this massive issue.

To reiterate, feminism is good yes, but there are far far more serious issues to devote time and energy to than the likes of this surely? That'd be a yes from me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Well no, cos in this instance it wasn't (at all) a 'blatant attempt to ridicule and intimidate women' and I'm quite sure, as I mentioned previously, that the promoters of the event are mortified and wish they had taken a different approach. It was meant as a joke. Unfortunately for them they used the word slag which I agree is a very unpleasant term, but they've explained that their customers would take that as humour, and we all have differing senses of humour and they know their clientele best, so I don't think it should be made into this massive issue.

To reiterate, feminism is good yes, but there are far far more serious issues to devote time and energy to than the likes of this surely? That'd be a yes from me.

I expect as they went to the trouble of having posters printed they hoped to bring in new custom as well as retaining the old though

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Well no, cos in this instance it wasn't (at all) a 'blatant attempt to ridicule and intimidate women' and I'm quite sure, as I mentioned previously, that the promoters of the event are mortified and wish they had taken a different approach. It was meant as a joke. Unfortunately for them they used the word slag which I agree is a very unpleasant term, but they've explained that their customers would take that as humour, and we all have differing senses of humour and they know their clientele best, so I don't think it should be made into this massive issue.

To reiterate, feminism is good yes, but there are far far more serious issues to devote time and energy to than the likes of this surely? That'd be a yes from me.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Personally I see nothing to suggest the promoters are 'mortified' at how it comes across. They would have to be pretty stupid if they couldn't see that. Much sexism, racism, homaphobia etc gets hidden behind so-called jokes - it is the oldest cop-out in the book,they didn't even have the intelligence to attempt to be original with their excuses.

As for their customers, I have no doubt that many of male customers would take it as humour, but I wonder if the female ones, in all honesty, would agree. The negative use of the word 'feminist' ie sad old bitches, as used in this very thread, to undermine the true meaning of the word often affects many women and their willingness to express their true feelings for fear of being labelled as some kind of raving, ugly old dyke. It is just immature name-calling, but has very malicious undertones and unfortunately affects how many women respond to such situations.