[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Rappers are labelled misogynists for using the word.

Here's an article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyn...ip_hop_culture

I would say as a woman I'd be more offended by *****, slut etc (but at the same time I hate when women call eachother that too)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Language changes

give yourself just 3 mins of this mainstream UK comedy from the 70s

Youtube video

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would say as a woman I'd be more offended by *****, slut etc (but at the same time I hate when women call eachother that too)

Indeed and if I had met with a friend and say his girlfriend or sister and during the course of that he called her a bitch, for whatever reason, I would not start a discussion on why am I not allowed to call her a bitch too. These people have a relationship and a history that I know nothing about and have to respect. I dont see why people cant apply the same principle to the n word.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Indeed and if I had met with a friend and say his girlfriend or sister and during the course of that he called her a bitch, for whatever reason, I would not start a discussion on why am I not allowed to call her a bitch too. These people have a relationship and a history that I know nothing about and have to respect. I dont see why people cant apply the same principle to the n word.

I agree with you 100% and my own theory on it is because white people don't like to be reminded of what other white people did to black people in the past and that word is a constant reminder.

[Vicky.]

I dont care if anyone calls me anything really.

But call me a c *** and we will have problems, coz I hate that word

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree with you 100% and my own theory on it is because white people don't like to be reminded of what other white people did to black people in the past and that word is a constant reminder.

Honesty, I dont think many people really associate that word with history. I think the reason so many find it uncomfortable is that they have grown up being told it is unacceptable and must be avoided at all costs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honesty, I dont think many people really associate that word with history. I think the reason so many find it uncomfortable is that they have grown up being told it is unacceptable and must be avoided at all costs.

Do you not think so? hhmmm I would that's for sure, you know especially from watching films on slavery and things like that

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you not think so? hhmmm I would that's for sure, you know especially from watching films on slavery and things like that

I have never associated the word with slavery and stuff. Not quite sure why. I have always known not to say it, nor do I want to say it..but from being young I have just known its a bad word..not a bad word like swearing that you say just to be 'bad' when young...but a bad word that is never to be said :S

Mind you, I'm not one for history fullstop. I appreciate it means a lot to some people and some things our nation did were horrendous. But the way I see it is that thats over with today. I guess that might be why I dont find bitch, *****, etc offensive. Because sexism, while massive years back, is not really that common at all in this day and age, so I dont see why I should hold what men did years ago against men who are here today

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never associated the word with slavery and stuff. Not quite sure why. I have always known not to say it, nor do I want to say it..but from being young I have just known its a bad word..not a bad word like swearing that you say just to be 'bad' when young...but a bad word that is never to be said :S

Mind you, I'm not one for history fullstop. I appreciate it means a lot to some people and some things our nation did were horrendous. But the way I see it is that thats over with today. I guess that might be why I dont find bitch, *****, etc offensive. Because sexism, while massive years back, is not really that common at all in this day and age, so I dont see why I should hold what men did years ago against men who are here today

..I guess the difference is with sexism/homophobia etc is that it's not a race of people ..?...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never associated the word with slavery and stuff. Not quite sure why. I have always known not to say it, nor do I want to say it..but from being young I have just known its a bad word..not a bad word like swearing that you say just to be 'bad' when young...but a bad word that is never to be said :S

Mind you, I'm not one for history fullstop. I appreciate it means a lot to some people and some things our nation did were horrendous. But the way I see it is that thats over with today. I guess that might be why I dont find bitch, *****, etc offensive. Because sexism, while massive years back, is not really that common at all in this day and age, so I dont see why I should hold what men did years ago against men who are here today

I don't see how it's holding anything against anyone though

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I guess the difference is with sexism/homophobia etc is that it's not a race of people ..?...

Well yeah, but its still the same kind of thing. Its all about previous oppression.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't see how it's holding anything against anyone though

By getting mad at a bloke who calls you a bitch today..because of sexism years ago, I would say that is holding it against them, despite it having nothing to do with them

I feel I need to be clear here, I am not getting at people who still feel history is very important. The stuff we did was awful and shouldnt really be forgotten. I am just giving my personal opinion about history not particularly mattering to ME.

[Crimson Dynamo]

are black people a race? black is just a lazy way to describe anyone who isnt white

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yeah, but its still the same kind of thing. Its all about previous oppression.


By getting mad at a bloke who calls you a bitch today..because of sexism years ago, I would say that is holding it against them, despite it having nothing to do with them

I feel I need to be clear here, I am not getting at people who still feel history is very important. The stuff we did was awful and shouldnt really be forgotten. I am just giving my personal opinion about history not particularly mattering to ME.

well tbh I'd be getting mad at guy for calling me a bitch just because he was insulting me though not because of sexism or what men in the past did

[Nedusa]

No black or Negroid is one of the 3 main racial types

The others are Mongoloid and Caucasian

[Crimson Dynamo]

So Indians are Caucasian

so why is black the only race term we actually use?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well tbh I'd be getting mad at guy for calling me a bitch just because he was insulting me though not because of sexism or what men in the past did

This is probably where we differ a lot

I am constantly abused by my male friends, thats just how they are with everyone. I think its just the area I am from tbh. Its done jokingly like, and it never bothers me, but some of the names they call me (and me them) are quite harsh and people listening in would possibly get offended at times.

I don't even particularly care if randomers call me stuff either

I guess everything just comes down to the sort of person you are, and the people you are surrounded by daily :S

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

are black people a race? black is just a lazy way to describe anyone who isnt white

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This is probably where we differ a lot

I am constantly abused by my male friends, thats just how they are with everyone. I think its just the area I am from tbh. Its done jokingly like, and it never bothers me, but some of the names they call me (and me them) are quite harsh

I don't even particularly care if randomers call me stuff either

I guess everything just comes down to the sort of person you are, and the people you are surrounded by daily :S

Oh in a jokey way? I thought you meant seriously, no i wouldn't be offended by that (assuming they were an actual friend of mine of course)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh in a jokey way? I thought you meant seriously, no i wouldn't be offended by that (assuming they were an actual friend of mine of course)

Even in an argument with a stranger, I wouldnt think he was being misogynistic or whatever if he called me a bitch, or a *****. Tbh he could call me anything, except a c ***

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Language changes

give yourself just 3 mins of this mainstream UK comedy from the 70s

Youtube video

Wow... It's mad to think that saying half of that would see you in prison now, I don't know how I feel about that.
The show does highlight the fact that there are those who have a problem and those who don't, just like today except now you can't vocalise it.. doesn't mean it's necessarily gone away though.
I bet then though calling each other nword would have seemed ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The term black people is an everyday English-language phrase, often used in socially-based systems of racial classification or of ethnicity to describe persons who are defined as belonging to a "black" ethnicity in their particular country, typically having a degree of Sub-Saharan African ancestry, or who are perceived to be dark-skinned relative to other "racial groups".

Different societies, such as Australia, Brazil, the United Kingdom, the United States and South Africa apply differing criteria regarding who is classified as "black", and these criteria have also varied over time. In some countries, social variables affect classification as much as skin-color, and the social criteria for "blackness" vary. For example, in North America the term black people is not necessarily an indicator of skin color or ethnic origin but is more of a socially-based racial classification related to being African American, with a family history related to institutionalized slavery. In South Africa, mixed-race people are not considered to be "black", and in other regions, such as Australia and Melanesia, the term "black" has been applied to, and used by, populations with a very different history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So Indians are Caucasian

so why is black the only race term we actually use?

Yes Indians are Caucasian.......

But the 3 groups have interbred over the millenia to produce the huge variety of skin tones and features seen in the world today.


Technically we should use the other terms White and Yellow but as I said there is such a mixture even in the Black group there are many colours from jet black through brown to very light brown etc....

At the end of the day we are all people and I for one would like to see the end of these terms ie ..."that black guy"

Why do we have to know the guy is black ? Why ?

What diff does it make to anything.........??

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Even in an argument with a stranger, I wouldnt think he was being misogynistic or whatever if he called me a bitch, or a *****. Tbh he could call me anything, except a c ***

I wouldn't see bitch as being misogynistic really, I see that as the feminine of bastard What does annoy me though is when a man is insulting a woman, we'll say a woman driver for example and he specifically refers to the fact that she's a woman. Like I could be in the car with Gav and a woman will do something and he'll specifically say stupid woman or whatever, yet he'll have just as many instances with male drivers but they're assholes or whatever and gender never comes into it, annoys the **** out of me ...............ok I'm completely gone offtopic here now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Yes Indians are Caucasian.......

But the 3 groups have interbred over the millenia to produce the huge variety of skin tones and features seen in the world today.


Technically we should use the other terms White and Yellow but as I said there is such a mixture even in the Black group there are many colours from jet black through brown to very light brown etc....

At the end of the day we are all people and I for one would like to see the end of these terms ie ..."that black guy"

Why do we have to know the guy is black ? Why ?

What diff does it make to anything.........??

I can see a time, in this lifetime, when the word black will not be accepted

[Redway]

Nope, not arsed. It makes sense that some blacks want to reclaim the word within context and I don't get why some whites deem it unfair like they're missing out on using it. Looking at the history of it why would any white person think it's okay for them to use it?