[Crimson Dynamo]

"Nigel Farage's prediction of a "UKIP earthquake" is starting to unfold as the party takes votes from both Labour and the Tories."



Mr Farage said UKIP would now be "serious players" in the General Election and said the party was expecting to win double the 80 seats that had been predicted.

He said: "The UKIP fox is in the Westminster henhouse" and said: "The idea the UKIP vote just hurts the Tories is going to be blown away by this election."

http://news.sky.com/story/1267177/lo...nificant-gains

[Cherie]

Are you dancing a little jig up there in your Scottish hamlet. Lets face it it would have been bigger news if this didn't happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Are you dancing a little jig up there in your Scottish hamlet. Lets face it it would have been bigger news if this didn't happen.

This is big news

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This is big news

No it isn't did anyone actually think UKIP wouldn't do well, the government are not liked, and the opposition has a Leader no one will vote for.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No it isn't did anyone actually think UKIP wouldn't do well, the government are not liked, and the opposition has a Leader no one will vote for.

People voted because they agree with Ukip and not just because they hate the coalition/labour

the big parties with their pc career politican on message soundbites are not what people want anymore. They want warts and all plain speaking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Nedusa]

I sincerely hope UKIP succeeds in registering a massive vote in both the local and European elections.

The protest vote will have succeeded and the main parties will be forced to sit up and take notice.

The public should then be given a proper in/out referendum on Europe which would be preceded by a proper national debate so at least the public will have a voice in shaping the direction of our Country.

And not before time.

[arista]

[Black Dagger]

Tragic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Malcolm Bruce, the Lib Dem 2nd in command has been on all News channels this morning with this message

"The night was a major success for the Lib Dems"




Even the interviewers were incredulous and its this out of touch, doublespeak, political-elite bullsh1t that punters hate and see through

pathetic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Hailstones did not batter Britain, they occurred in selective areas of England

[arista]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Tragic.

Yes but Expected
as Labour hides from Topics
on illegal migrants

[Livia]

Now watch the Conservatives get into bed with UKIP. Talks have started already in some areas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Now watch the Conservatives get into bed with UKIP. Talks have started already in some areas.

I think this will be the next big story

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think this will be the next big story

Conservatives at Norfolk County Council are already in talks with UKIP, it was leaked to the Eastern Daily Press earlier in the week and talks are talking place this morning. I'm sure it's happened in other areas too. If they team up, they'll be unstoppable at the next General election I reckon.

[joeysteele]

Well it is a really good and strong night for UKIP,no denying that at all but not an earthquake, a tremor maybe but let's keep in in perspective.

They run no councils and will likely still not after these elections, out of the thousands of seats up for election they are making headway and gaining a great deal from a very low base to start with.

The Conservatives would be crazy to forge any pact with UKIP, that would lose completely the voters they need for any chance of an overall majority.
Soft Labour voters who have switched to UKIP in these local elections, would desert them in a flash if they entered any pact with the Conservatives.

They've gained so far around 90 councillors, that could well double or more when all the results are in but it is still in near all councils, Labour and the Conservatives who will be in the main running the show in those councils.
Both parties however, while needing to take into account why so many have on this occasion voted UKIP and try to address that with voters,would be absolutely mental to enter any deals or pacts with UKIP and therefore give them even more chance of greater status in the future.

The Lib Dems, oh dear, I will just let them lick their wounds,they now have so many to lick a nd take care of too.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sir Malcolm Bruce, the Lib Dem 2nd in command has been on all News channels this morning with this message

"The night was a major success for the Lib Dems"




Even the interviewers were incredulous and its this out of touch, doublespeak, political-elite bullsh1t that punters hate and see through

pathetic

In his fcuking dreams.....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Conservatives at Norfolk County Council are already in talks with UKIP, it was leaked to the Eastern Daily Press earlier in the week and talks are talking place this morning. I'm sure it's happened in other areas too. If they team up, they'll be unstoppable at the next General election I reckon.

They were doing this in Norfolk before these elections too Livia, well you will know that anyway.

On that council with the UKIP councillors the Conservatives could take control again.That is an understandable move there.
Only speaking for myself, I cannot see a great deal of other pacts with them and certainly not for a general election.

No way in my view can or should, the Conservatives risk having to share power with UKIP on a National level.
It may look appealing to some on paper,in practice it could be really bad for the Country.
Not a move in politics I would like to see.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

In his fcuking dreams.....

I saw that Nedusa, the man is ridiculous anyway, good job he is standing down as he would have lost his seat anyway in 2015.

[Kizzy]

Politically and ethically UKIP and the conservatives are almost identical, it's natural they will align.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Politically and ethically UKIP and the conservatives are almost identical, it's natural they will align.

They don't want to be seen as identical though and I have to say,other than EU sceptisim and in part immigration/welfare I don't see the Conservative party as in any way in line with UKIP, racist or homophobic too.
They have their loose cannons as all parties do but not to the extent UKIP have already with their small numbers.

I really believe that any electoral pact with UKIP and the Conservatives would at the time greatly alienate far more voters towards them than it would attract.
It would be seen as a wildly desperate move and a dangerous one at that.

[arista]

UKIP Hoovers Up Protest Vote In Local Elections


http://news.sky.com/story/1267318/uk...ocal-elections

on Radio 5 and LBC radio
loads of ex Labour men voted UKIP

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They don't want to be seen as identical though and I have to say,other than EU sceptisim and in part immigration/welfare I don't see the Conservative party as in any way in line with UKIP, racist or homophobic too.
They have their loose cannons as all parties do but not to the extent UKIP have already with their small numbers.

I really believe that any electoral pact with UKIP and the Conservatives would at the time greatly alienate far more voters towards them than it would attract.
It would be seen as a wildly desperate move and a dangerous one at that.

Really? the thatcherite is basically an 80s yuppie thrown back to carry on her work for me, he is a businessman first and foremost and a politician second.
They both operate in a similar way which is to cleverly to appeal to the 'strivers' whilst bleeding them dry with buzzwords and media bombardment, whilst planning the removal of civil liberties and dismantling infrastructure for private 'foreign' investment.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really? the thatcherite is basically an 80s yuppie thrown back to carry on her work for me, he is a businessman first and foremost and a politician second.
They both operate in a similar way which is to cleverly to appeal to the 'strivers' whilst bleeding them dry with buzzwords and media bombardment, whilst planning the removal of civil liberties and dismantling infrastructure for private 'foreign' investment.

As I say, there are loose cannon in all parties and the Conservatives have theirs too.
I don't really see Conservatives as to the extremes of UKIP in the main.

As you know, I have moved right across the political world as to who I support, I know many really decent people who are Conservatives, just as I do for other parties and vice versa too.
I can however agree with a lot you have said above too.