[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well he done/said a lot more than that but whatever...

Did he though? You keep insisting Ash isn't boring but haven't named anything interesting he did.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Did he though? You keep insisting Ash isn't boring but haven't named anything interesting he did.

When have I insisted he wasn't boring? oh that's right I never.

I said he wasn't boring last night...and all of a sudden he is going to get evicted.

And yes he did do a lot more than talk about his nominations last night? not sure why anyone would deny it even if they hate him, he argued with Toya throughout most of the arguments...

[Drew.]

I dont think hes been boring at all. Forgetting about last night, hes given some of us some entertainment without having to argue and bitch which is rare in this house.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Josy

When have I insisted he wasn't boring? oh that's right I never.

I said he wasn't boring last night...and all of a sudden he is going to get evicted.

And yes he did do a lot more than talk about his nominations last night? not sure why anyone would deny it even if they hate him, he argued with Toya throughout most of the arguments...

But again, not all drama is equal and all players in an argument are certainly not equal. Ash couldn't differentiate between Matthew and Toya vetoing his nomination and Matthew and Toya directly nominating him. That's not entertaining at all, and when he gets self-righteous about his false conclusions and states that they should've gone after the boring ***** (I'd say most people here and other forums have different ideas about who the boring ***** are in there) it's more infuriating than anything? Like sure he argued with Toya but the content of his contribution was rather forgettable. Meanwhile Toya pretty much lit the house on fire in her power trip, gave an insanely passionate and hilarious rant in the DR, and was amazingly belligerent. It was her night, nobody's gonna look back on this and think of Ash's contributions.

And he's certainly not going to be evicted I don't know what you're smoking if you think that

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I dont think hes been boring at all. Forgetting about last night, hes given some of us some entertainment without having to argue and bitch which is rare in this house.

I don't think he's boring either Drew and agree with your post.

That's just my opinion though and I don't ever 'insist' that it's true, that's also why I'm the first to say entertainment is a completely personal preference.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

But again, not all drama is equal and all players in an argument are certainly not equal. Ash couldn't differentiate between Matthew and Toya vetoing his nomination and Matthew and Toya directly nominating him. That's not entertaining at all, and when he gets self-righteous about his false conclusions and states that they should've gone after the boring ***** (I'd say most people here and other forums have different ideas about who the boring ***** are in there) it's more infuriating than anything? Like sure he argued with Toya but the content of his contribution was rather forgettable. Meanwhile Toya pretty much lit the house on fire in her power trip, gave an insanely passionate and hilarious rant in the DR, and was amazingly belligerent. It was her night, nobody's gonna look back on this and think of Ash's contributions.

And he's certainly not going to be evicted I don't know what you're smoking if you think that

You saying something isn't entertaining only pertains to you specifically though (and others that agree of course) you can't turn round and tell someone they do or don't find something entertaining because that is up to them to decide for themselves?

Ash was the one that retaliated to Toya's initial comment and that caused the rest of the arguments to take place.

Toyas rant in the DR wasn't in any way hilarious IMO again that's individual preference

And I'm not smoking anything.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't think he's boring either Drew and agree with your post.

That's just my opinion though and I don't ever 'insist' that it's true, that's also why I'm the first to say entertainment is a completely personal preference.

Plenty of people share your opinion, i know i do. If they didn't then Pauline would still be in there as most of the forum were sure she was supplying most of the entertainment by her arguing. I'd rather watch pranks, mischief, people making a fool out of themselves and housemates having a good laugh rather than shouting and arguing & Ash fits most of those categories.. But yeah its all personal preference.

[Jake.]

A balance of it all is key for me

[waylander1973]

I do not like him for a number of reasons.

Laughing when helen was calling jale a slug.

His overreaction to the last time he has been put for eviction.

Taking this show too seriously in general which might be the reason why people call him boring which is my answer to the op question.

[rionablue]

Ash is vain about everything else. He went into the house with his 'good looks' and was so sure he would snare the fittest girl (Kim) When he found out she nominated him his ego got a real bruising and he went for her all guns blazing saying she was the slyest housemate and probably the power housemate. He switched tack and said Helen was the fittest of the women (really ?) He nearly had a fit last week when he was up for eviction ( How COULD anyone have nominated him) This week he in his stupidity thought that Toya and Matt had SAVED kim. He is a grade one idiot and I am sick of him. I want him out but Marlon and Toya must go first. I just hope that young girls who vote to evict will see what he is REALLY like not just his looks

[Sophiee]

as if this place was going to like someone who argued with the sassy black female .

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Josy

You saying something isn't entertaining only pertains to you specifically though (and others that agree of course) you can't turn round and tell someone they do or don't find something entertaining because that is up to them to decide for themselves?

Ash was the one that retaliated to Toya's initial comment and that caused the rest of the arguments to take place.

Toyas rant in the DR wasn't in any way hilarious IMO again that's individual preference

And I'm not smoking anything.

Toya told a bunch of already calm people to clam the **** down and Winston called her Sylvester Stallone. Ash, like... called Toya a prick? Wow what a contribution. It was Toya's night; you could've put a mannequin doll in place of Ash and there'd be the same net effect.

And Ash is going nowhere, I don't know how you can seriously think he's going to be evicted. Toya's toast, even her fans have come around to that.

Originally Posted by Drew.

Plenty of people share your opinion, i know i do. If they didn't then Pauline would still be in there as most of the forum were sure she was supplying most of the entertainment by her arguing. I'd rather watch pranks, mischief, people making a fool out of themselves and housemates having a good laugh rather than shouting and arguing & Ash fits most of those categories.. But yeah its all personal preference.

Is there anything worse than people who rely on playing pranks all the time? Get your own sense of humor.

[Chuckyegg]

Boring thick and socially crippled. He will probably win.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Is there anything worse than people who rely on playing pranks all the time? Get your own sense of humor.

Yes, people like you.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg

Boring thick and socially crippled.

That's my analysis too. Watching paint dry is infinitely more interesting than seeing this excuse of a human being on my TV screen.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

This^He did nothing until Toya brought his character out.

[Amy Jade]

I agree with Hayden, Jack and the first half of Troy's posts.

Ash is boring, he has provided zero and only when shoved by Toya did he bite. He seems to think the others are boring when in reality he has done by far the least to entertain while in the house.

[Lostie!]

I find him highly tedious. Usually, the ones who proclaim themselves to be the "fun" ones are the ones I can't take to. I don't see how him sitting there moaning makes him any better than others "sitting there braiding their hair".

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

This also^ very good post.I voted Ash because if it's a choice between him and Toya,I'd keep Toya all day.VTS would defo solve this and would almost make certain someone who's really done nothing would go.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This^He did nothing until Toya brought his character out.

neither did toya aside from being pauline's sheep. hilarious how she talks about marlon being a sheep when she was the exact same thing just a week ago.

[Kizzy]

He's a jock type, and one of those obnoxious gits who thinks you're 'boring' if you don't drink or smoke...

[mrflibble]

He was a bore and still is a bore. The only difference is that we now know he's an arrogant bore. Someone saying a few words doesn't make them interesting or relevant - it's what they say, and all he says is that everyone else is a bore and that he's above having anything 'bad' happening against him. That's not entertaining.

[Kizzy]

Diss Ash?......

[Achilles]

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

The number of human beings in category 3 is far greater than the number of human beings in category 2 and the number of human beings in category 2 is far greater than the number of human beings in category 1.

Is Ash boring? The answer to the question depends on the person you are asking. If you ask a person in category 1, there is high probability the majority will answer yes. If you ask a person in category 3 there is a high probability the majority will answer no.

If you are asking and answering the question yourself, the category you fall in might influence your answer. If you look at the question from the perspective of the human population as a whole, the logical answer would be no Ash is not boring.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Question - do Ash fans also like Kris Donnelly? They're pretty much the same character at this point.