[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Novo

Actually feel a bit sorry for him, this is a guy who has been just taken for a ride and had to find out from a family member that Kim was basically lying about everything and she was actually in a serious relationship for 2 years rather then " Dating " like she told Steven, Steven really hasn't done anything wrong even when he was talking to her he seemed composed and didn't rip her to shreads about it considering she has made him look like a tit.. in fact he blamed himself when he was in the toilet saying something like " Steven you never fail to be a part " when he has done absoulety nothing wrong

..but that's the point in which he could have said...right, let's leave it for now and sort this out when we get out of the house because there are too many confusions etc...but he hasn't, he's still pushing and pushing for a 'relationship' in the house which makes me think that he's not genuine about any feelings he has at all and this actually played well for him because he has a little bit of the 'poor Steven been lead on' thing going on as well so it's win/win for him and lose/lose for Kim....

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but that's the point in which he could have said...right, let's leave it for now and sort this out when we get out of the house because there are too many confusions etc...but he hasn't, he's still pushing and pushing for a 'relationship' in the house which makes me think that he's not genuine about any feelings he has at all and this actually played well for him because he has a little bit of the 'poor Steven been lead on' thing going on as well so it's win/win for him and lose/lose for Kim....

To late for that now she has already let him get emotionally and sexually involved with her before it all came out and he had been led on that Is 100% a fact the whole thing about him using her is only an assumption either way at least he knows now that if she can do that to someone she has been on a relationship with for 2 years then she can easily do it to him in the future

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Novo

To late for that now she has already let him get emotionally and sexually involved with her before it all came out and he had been led on that Is 100% a fact the whole thing about him using her is only an assumption either way at least he knows now that if she can do that to someone she has been on a relationship with for 2 years then she can easily do it to him in the future

..I don't see it like that at all...she didn't 'let him' get emotionally or sexually involved, he's pushed and pushed to the point of this being some kind of 'fantasy' thing when she really hasn't up until the last few days seemed to give him any indications of her feelings for him...so nothing is 'fact' although. yes my feelings about Steven's sincerity are just personal instinct thing and could be wrong....but still, whether he is sincere or not, he's still now got the opportunity to put the breaks on a bit and leave it until they're out of the house, which with her 'ex' thing would be the most obvious thing to do but he's still pushing her ...I don't understand this 'on a break' thing anyway, I've only seen it with Ross and Rachel and there it seemed as though one thought it was over and the other one didn't...

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't see it like that at all...she didn't 'let him' get emotionally or sexually involved, he's pushed and pushed to the point of this being some kind of 'fantasy' thing when she really hasn't up until the last few days seemed to give him any indications of her feelings for him...so nothing is 'fact' although. yes my feelings about Steven's sincerity are just personal instinct thing and could be wrong....but still, whether he is sincere or not, he's still now got the opportunity to put the breaks on a bit and leave it until they're out of the house, which with her 'ex' thing would be the most obvious thing to do but he's still pushing her ...I don't understand this 'on a break' thing anyway, I've only seen it with Ross and Rachel and there it seemed as though one thought it was over and the other one didn't...

I don't get what you mean by pushed and pushed? It was him and her who agreed to take it further, its not like she couldn't have said no to him at anytime before any of the kissing, I just think that a lot of people are being to kind to Kim in this situation and Villianising Steven to much when he is the one that has been lied to for weeks, maybe if Kim wasn't so gormless and actually tried to make an effort the way he does then they'd get somewhere

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Novo

I don't get what you mean by pushed and pushed? It was him and her who agreed to take it further, its not like she couldn't have said no to him at anytime before any of the kissing, I just think that a lot of people are being to kind to Kim in this situation and Villianising Steven to much when he is the one that has been lied to for weeks, maybe if Kim wasn't so gormless and actually tried to make an effort the way he does then they'd get somewhere

..but then maybe she didn't want to 'get somewhere' in the house but wanted to wait until they had left to see how it all was with her 'ex' as well, that's the impression I've got and if his feeling are genuine then they're not going to go anywhere but he seems to want this thing to happen in the house...and why wouldn't that all be confusing to her when she hasn't yet had the chance to resolve how things were when she went into the house..why can't he just agree to wait....