[kefln]

Are these two even in the same league?

In real life would people even know that Ashleigh was bitching? Is she any worse than anyone else in their day to day dealings with people they don't like? From every conversation I've ever had on the subject, its fairly normal for girls to sit together in small groups and bitch about people they don't like. And anyone who claims to have never done the same is lying. Hell a vast quantity of bitching about HMs goes on here daily. How is that any better? Given some of things I've read recently online, some of her detractors have far more bite than she.

However it is not normal to act like Helen. Screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, drunken fights, getting into peoples faces...it takes a certain type of person to justify that sort of behaviour.

[booboomartin]

Originally Posted by kefln

Are these two even in the same league?

In real life would people even know that Ashleigh was bitching? Is she any worse than anyone else in their day to day dealings with people they don't like? From every conversation I've ever had on the subject, its fairly normal for girls to sit together in small groups and bitch about people they don't like. And anyone who claims to have never done the same is lying. Hell a vast quantity of bitching about HMs goes on here daily. How is that any better? Given some of things I've read recently online, some of her detractors have far more bite than she.

However it is not normal to act like Helen. Screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, drunken fights, getting into peoples faces...it takes a certain type of person to justify that sort of behaviour.

apart from drunken fights, EVERYTHING you have said about helen you can apply to ashleigh. last nights show was a prime example of her of her loutish behaivour. as you know she was screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, and i'm sure if helen was there, would have got right into her face. also, her swearing was delightful (not). i bet her mum and family are very proud of her effing like a trooper. pretty face, but nasty girl

[MartianMark]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

apart from drunken fights

Key difference right there. They've all had their moments of "bitching" and "moaning" but Helen takes it to a whole other level. The reason she's been warned so many times is b/c it verges on verbal abuse to the point that she can be somewhat threatening (eg. argument with Matthew).

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

apart from drunken fights, EVERYTHING you have said about helen you can apply to ashleigh. last nights show was a prime example of her of her loutish behaivour. as you know she was screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, and i'm sure if helen was there, would have got right into her face. also, her swearing was delightful (not). i bet her mum and family are very proud of her effing like a trooper. pretty face, but nasty girl

I doubt her family are crying over it either. Their daughter/sister/niece/friend has stood up against a bully, has loads of fans AND a big chance of winning BB (and a hundred grand) ..so i'm betting they are pretty proud

[kefln]

Originally Posted by booboomartin

apart from drunken fights, EVERYTHING you have said about helen you can apply to ashleigh. last nights show was a prime example of her of her loutish behaivour. as you know she was screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, and i'm sure if helen was there, would have got right into her face. also, her swearing was delightful (not). i bet her mum and family are very proud of her effing like a trooper. pretty face, but nasty girl

And therein lies the problem. Ignore the first point entirely, do best to downgrade the aggressive behaviour of one HM, upgrade the bad behaviour of the other.

How does adding comments about a HMs parents make for a point? Yes Ashleighs parents should be ashamed, she curses, like 99% of the human population.

And how does making things up, make for a point? Something didn't happen, but I'm sure it would. It didn't, so its irrelevant.