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Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I was pretty impressed with how Pav handled her in the toilet... He was very open about her behaviour and didn't appear up her arse at all I thought

I've said this all along, Pav is a sensible, sound guy, and so is Ash. They both have got to know Helen over the weeks, and, like many of the viewers have seen the positive and negative sides of Helen and have come to their own opinions.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I've said this all along, Pav is a sensible, sound guy, and so is Ash. They both have got to know Helen over the weeks, and, like many of the viewers have seen the positive and negative sides of Helen and have come to their own opinions.

I agree, they're both pretty alright and would probably make nice, fun friends. However, I do feel that they have a higher opinion of Helen than some other hms because she chooses who to show that nicer side to. She decided she liked Ash early on because they were similar: young, attractive, from same area, and probs similar humour, and so hasn't shown much aggression to him. Pav became closer to Winston and Ash with their sort of laddish connection, and in turn, Helen grew to like him as part of their group.

Basically, I think they do see a balanced view of her and believe she is a good friend, but they are lucky enough to see the nicer side of her maybe?

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Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I agree, they're both pretty alright and would probably make nice, fun friends. However, I do feel that they have a higher opinion of Helen than some other hms because she chooses who to show that nicer side to. She decided she liked Ash early on because they were similar: young, attractive, from same area, and probs similar humour, and so hasn't shown much aggression to him. Pav became closer to Winston and Ash with their sort of laddish connection, and in turn, Helen grew to like him as part of their group.

Basically, I think they do see a balanced view of her and believe she is a good friend, but they are lucky enough to see the nicer side of her maybe?

Cringe Alert: I find a lot of Helen's qualities very endearing. I have watched her react to many events that have confronted her. I can see her good qualities. I'm not condoning her other behaviour that I found appalling, but human beings are complex creatures.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Cringe Alert: I find a lot of Helen's qualities very endearing. I have watched her react to many events that have confronted her. I can see her good qualities. I'm not condoning her other behaviour that I found appalling, but human beings are complex creatures.

Could I ask what it is about her you find endearing? I'm not disagreeing with you, just genuinely interested. I don't come on here much but it appears suddenly that there are loads of Helen fans whose reasons for liking her get drowned out by Helen vs. Ashleigh arguments

So far all I've really seen is "she tells it how it is" which I don't believe she always does really

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Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Could I ask what it is about her you find endearing? I'm not disagreeing with you, just genuinely interested. I don't come on here much but it appears suddenly that there are loads of Helen fans whose reasons for liking her get drowned out by Helen vs. Ashleigh arguments

So far all I've really seen is "she tells it how it is" which I don't believe she always does really

I think she has a great sense of humour, her eyes light up, and I've seen it when the joke has been on her. If you looked at when Mark was evicted, there was genuine sadness in her eyes, nothing fake. She wears her heart on her sleeve more often than not, so its really not difficult to see what she is feeling/thinking, and I like what I see.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think she has a great sense of humour, her eyes light up, and I've seen it when the joke has been on her. If you looked at when Mark was evicted, there was genuine sadness in her eyes, nothing fake. She wears her heart on her sleeve more often than not, so its really not difficult to see what she is feeling/thinking, and I like what I see.

Yeah she can make me laugh at times, in the first few days I really quite liked her because she seemed open and happy, I was actually glad when Pauline gave her the pass!

But with regards to her being sad that Mark left, I wouldn't really expect less of any housemate, I would only assume that you would be sad after being so close to someone for 9 weeks really